Sochiro is no longer with us but the Honda name lives on !
Agree with you David; yes we speak about VIM, because they was 14, and easy to say in a lot of languages; VCIM is more difficult ; but we can turn the page and remember where we come from...
Wheel dimension, or engine capacity can be used: up to 19" or more the 1000 (996 )
Good point I was thinking about engine capacity. I think 1000cc is good but wonder if the classification with some future proofing might be:
- Bikes with front wheel dimensions of 19 inches or more, and
- Engine capacity of 800cc or more.
How's that?
Riding an XL125 to an international meeting could be more of an Adventure than riding an 800cc bike !
Riding an XL125 to an international meeting could be more of an Adventure than riding an 800cc bike !
Yes I agree - you can have adventure on any bike.
But what is the focus of this forum if we change it to Honda Adventure riders. My view is Honda adventure bikes with 19 inch or greater front wheels. You may or may not want to also limit it to a cc size. I'm neutral either way on cc size, but have a strong preference to accommodate bikes with 19 and 21 inch front wheels.
My main point is putting forward a unified basis for keeping true to the original purpose/focus of this forum while opening it up for new Honda models since the Varadero is no longer being produced. In other words - what is this forum's key focus. I think Honda Adventure Riders is in keeping with our history as a forum, and to keep the focus we need to decide what Honda adventure bikes is most in keeping with that spirit.
Cheers...
Riding an XL125 to an international meeting could be more of an Adventure than riding an 800cc bike !
Sure ! We had an ask for 125 coming to Norway from north Germany; and then ...
Why are we trying to define limits on what type of bikes can and can't attend. Surley it's not the bike but the adventure that's important, and it shouldn't matter what the bike is.
We have a Honda Varadero history and I can see that because that is in our roots keeping the Honda name going forward is right and proper, but if we are changing the name of the forum because we now see it as too narrow, why add criteria to limit it again?
Maybe we should ask what makes a good forum/ meet to me what makes a good forum and indeed international meet is the mix of people from all different backgrounds. We are becoming a fairly elderly group which does reflect modern western biking but we shouldn't be putting up blocks that will stop the new blood from joining in. And larger engine sizes will do that.
Also what is the plan with the individual country forums and meets when the international forum renames shall these also rename along the same ethos?
I'm not to put absolutely a limit in the choice of the new bikes.BUT, this family as a common point, and we've seen thru this family or national ones with the same common point, it have a sense.
If you enlarge (too much), the risk is to drown this previous family. And you've perhaps (I have seen elsewhere) what it can become; a family where you are no more "at home" .
We had such a discussion, a few month ago .... IMO it is not enlarge, to have a lot of new members and participants, but just to make this community alive
but keeping its spirit .
That will leave Ursa out
Sure you like to laugh Jyrki !
never said about banish members of this family; just keep its spirit !
Think one unwritten rule is that once participated, brought in with a Varadero you are welcome with whatever you ride
Its not the bike, it is the human share my own interests I want to meet..
Think one unwritten rule is that once participated, brought in with a Varadero you are welcome with whatever you ride
Its not the bike, it is the human share my own interests I want to meet..
I can't agree more
Josep
Absolutely. As much as I love my vara. I don't generally talk to it.
Think one unwritten rule is that once participated, brought in with a Varadero you are welcome with whatever you ride
Its not the bike, it is the human share my own interests I want to meet..
Very true Skye !!!
One beer for you (and maybe some bitterballen)
Interesting discussion.
From a manufacturing perspective (ie from Honda's point of view, not each of ours) Honda makes three types of adventure bikes. The problem is we do not necessarily agree with Honda's classification. Working in the industry I face this tension quite a lot.
The three broad areas of Honda adventure bikes are:
- the "X" series bikes with 17 inch front wheels (CB500X, NC750X, VFR800X)
- The "X" series bikes with 19 inch front wheels (XL1000V, VFR1200X)
- Adventure Motorcycles with 21 inch front wheels - Africa Twin
If we want to limit the type of bikes we think more accurately represent the type of Honda Adventure Bikes we as a group represent, I suggest we consider limiting it to all current and previous models of Honda bikes with a front wheel of 19 inches or more.
That does not mean we can arrive at future meetings on bikes other than these, of course we can, but from an adventure perspective I think the 19 inch front wheel/21 inch front wheel makes for an inclusive group of bikes but not too many.
If we adopt something like this then in my view this matches the Honda Adventure Riders.com name, the history of the forum and opening it slightly for new models.
I see no need nor indeed a defensible reason to keep the name VIM going forward in any of our communications. That is too narrow. I also see no need to reference any bike model name, preferring instead the Honda Riders Adventure Forum.
From there discussion on a name for our meetings can gain a bit of focus.
That will leave Ursa out
And me with my transalp if a cc size restriction applied, but then I am already a member as is Ursa so that's not a problem.
I posted the above as a guide for consideration and discussion not as a hard and fast rule for consideration. I was posing the question - do we want, going forward, to maintain the spirit of Honda Adventure bike riding similar to the Varadero and Crosstourer heritage or something more wider.
Personally, if we move to the name Honda Adventure Riding.com then I would be inclined to include all three classes of bikes above.
If the mood of this forum is to keep the community more within the spirit of our heritage then the 19 inch and up criteria is perhaps more suitable.
In terms of eligibility of the forum membership surely we would extend it to partners of members who own an eligible bike (if a new member) or if they have previously been a member in their own right the bike does not matter.
All good points for consideration.
All valid points - thanks for all the input - but generally I prefer a clear lineup. With the Varadero 1000 this community was established so make 1000 capacity the basis. Both the Crosstourer and the new CRF1000 Africa Twin are clearly designed for the same purpose as the Varadero: Adventure Touring.
Regarding 'national' forums and their line up... they are nor based, nor related to our community so its up to their own what they do.
Well, the Dutch club is a key example how to: they started exactly 25 yrs ago with the Transalp XL600V and today the members line up include all Africa Twins ( XRV650/750, CRF1000 ), all Transalps ( 600/650/700 ), the XLV750R, the XL1000V Varadero, the VFR1200X Crosstourer and even the NX250/650 Dominator. But sometime less is more.