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Title: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on January 28, 2016, 20:27:14
What tires are available for the new AT; what tires have you experienced on this bike ?

seems French one have Dunlop D610 Trailmax, and have some problem on wet ... :-\ Jyrki the same you have ?
Seems Trailsmart will be available soon and in tubeless version also ... wait and see; and please share your experiences here !  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jasper on January 30, 2016, 03:17:49
Are the AT rims designed for tubeless tyres? I see that the OE are tube type tyres.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Varareco on January 30, 2016, 11:32:31
The rims look like they are tube type.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Two Plugs on January 31, 2016, 20:02:04
The rims look like they are tube type.

You are right. The new CRF1000 comes on tubes again. I don't have any problems with tube tires, both my XLV750R's have tubes, and David's Transalp hibernating in my garage, has them too.

On my Varadero's I had more punctures (tubeless) the last 200.000 km than in the 200.000 km I have driven tubeless predecessors... ;)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on February 02, 2016, 13:44:56
Yeah, the D610 is bad on wet tarmac.

AT has tube type rims but you can always use tubeless with tubes, only repairing them on roadside would be harder as tubeless are harder to take from bead...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Two Plugs on April 04, 2016, 10:00:58
Had some 'Oops' moments with the Dunlops on wet tarmac as well. On dry they are 'razor-sharp', but even with the slightest hint of moist, they tend to go slippery...
Buying a new CRF and living in a damp climate? Negotiate to put it on proper rubber!
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 04, 2016, 11:20:07
Had some 'Oops' moments with the Dunlops on wet tarmac as well. On dry they are 'razor-sharp', but even with the slightest hint of moist, they tend to go slippery...
Buying a new CRF and living in a damp climate? Negotiate to put it on proper rubber!


I've heard the same in this part of the world. Seems the OEM choice of Dunlop tires is not a good one.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: meine dicke on April 09, 2016, 19:27:00
Heidenau Scout K60 got now the approval from the manufacturer for the AT.

See this link: http://en.reifenwerk-heidenau.com/modules/0_fahrzeugsuche.htm?searchtyp=fahrzeugtyp (http://en.reifenwerk-heidenau.com/modules/0_fahrzeugsuche.htm?searchtyp=fahrzeugtyp)

Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer alias meine dicke

(http://en.reifenwerk-heidenau.com/images/profilbilder/K60Scout_Paar90-150-web.jpg)

<added K60 pic>
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on April 17, 2016, 13:07:51
I am thinking of Mitas E 07 until Anakee Wild will be available...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on April 17, 2016, 19:27:23
Think my dealer have mounted Trailsmart on its own (6000 km with D610); some report soon ...

(http://ssl.delti.com/tyre-pictures/Dunlop/Trailsmart.jpg)

I've tried the d610 under rain today but very carefully !(I rode) and no problem for instance  ...  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on April 18, 2016, 00:27:18
I had some ride on wet surface too, TC goes on at 130 km/h on acceleration, but craziest it is on engine braking!
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on June 13, 2016, 18:58:21
Continental tyres: seems we are allowed to mount TL conti tires .

TKC80, TKC70 & Trail Attak 2 (http://www.reifen-freigaben.de/pdf/792.pdf)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on June 13, 2016, 19:10:24
Tires just have to be round :D
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on June 13, 2016, 19:53:52
Tires just have to be round :D

Not sure it is enough for me  ;D If someone can confirm for Conti ?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on June 14, 2016, 15:26:02
Zeb, what confirmation you want? The link you posted is service information for CRF1000L for mentioned tires.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on June 14, 2016, 19:21:41
Just seen they are TL type and have read it's good or not , with inner tube ...  on TT rims.  VCIF_ok
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on June 14, 2016, 20:22:05
TL has usually harder sidewalls so it is harder to change on road side compared to TT. But somehow I do not see you doing it anyway :D

It is allowed to use TL on TT, not vice versa.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on June 14, 2016, 21:30:54
I had TKC 70's fitted to my Transalp recently on rims which are not tubeless. Fitting a tube fixes that problem and as Jyrays says, it means a little more work changing the tire on the side of teh road should you have a puncture.


I was impressed with the 70's on my recent trip, they have good road manners in the dry and wet.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on June 14, 2016, 21:59:09
Yes, Thank you, interested too on TKC70 but a bit afraid to have TL tires on TT rims... But I perhaps try them .
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on June 15, 2016, 12:41:24
Zeb, afraid of what?

One note, the speed rating is not same as CRF original tires. "only" up to 190 km/h.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on June 15, 2016, 13:43:34
Read on Internet tires can be hotter with TL type on TT rims ... But if it's ok, it's ok  ;)  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Two Plugs on June 17, 2016, 10:26:41
Have some experiences on the TKC70 from Conti now on David's Transalp, and I am that impressed, that they will be fitted on the XLV's as well (like the CRF and the Transalp spoked rims with tube) to replace both the Michelin Sirac and the Pirelli's with which both bikes are equipped currently.
Title: Re: Lyon-home diversion
Post by: zebulon on July 20, 2016, 08:14:13
But I ordered MITAS E07 for AT...

How much kilomètres with the original D610?  ::)
Title: Re: Re: Lyon-home diversion
Post by: Jyrays on July 21, 2016, 11:34:57
How much kilomètres with the original D610?  ::)

3500 km and other 1000 km next weekend. I change them because I am not happy with them, get some more traction on gravel and mostly because of my trip to Portugal :)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on July 30, 2016, 00:07:12
9500 kilometers , TKC70 ordered  VCIF_a_008
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on July 30, 2016, 22:53:11
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2cf8t8k.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/1572ivt.jpg)

for

(http://i67.tinypic.com/30u5ug6.jpg)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on July 31, 2016, 04:43:27
Hi Jrays. I know I should know this this but what is that tire? 
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on July 31, 2016, 11:49:36
It' s Mitas E07  ;)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on July 31, 2016, 18:34:13
Yeah, Mitas E07. In a month I will give you a report :)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on August 05, 2016, 22:12:21
TKC70 arrived, will be mounted on Thursday  VCIF_a040hae
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on August 05, 2016, 22:17:37
rear after 2400 km, not visible worn!

(http://i63.tinypic.com/9iek9i.jpg)

Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on August 05, 2016, 22:20:14
Yeah, Mitas E07. In a month I will give you a report :)

2400 km, 150 km on wet. No problems on grip, heat or wear. Temperatures up to 38 degrees. Great chose, next weeks I will try on Portuguese gravel and sand ,)
Title: Mitas E07 on tarmac
Post by: Jyrays on August 09, 2016, 12:35:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMKsN32ID_8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMKsN32ID_8)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on August 09, 2016, 12:53:39
Dunlop is working on some new tire, or how to make evolute their AT tire . They've took some AT to my dealer to make test on their near to Montpellier circuit  (http://www.dunlop.eu/dunlop_befr/mc/news/news_article.jsp?id=88704)(sorry not found how to have the site page in English)  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on August 14, 2016, 00:00:43
Dirt (https://youtu.be/qeLGR_Q4ULU)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on August 14, 2016, 06:28:08
nice...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on August 14, 2016, 08:28:14
After 600 km of turning roads these 2 last day, I have to admit TKC70 is very different from D610, but quiet good in all encounted conditions; complete report when I'm back home ...  ;)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Allroadtoad on August 15, 2016, 12:27:28
I swapped the OEM Dunlops for K60 about a month ago but changed them to Conti Trail Attack 2 last week, because next couple of months I will only be giving road training and I want to spare my K60`s. First ride was towards the Eifel yesterday and it was a blast, had great fun in the twisties with these TA`s!
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on August 15, 2016, 16:05:55
TKC make the job in the Alps !!!!!  VCIF_a040hae
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Bruvex on August 16, 2016, 20:22:06
TKC make the job in the Alps !!!!!  VCIF_a040hae

This is news I was waiting for.
I'll put them on the AT as well in october, before winter kicks in.
So I'll hopefully feel safer in the wet then with the stock tyres.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on August 16, 2016, 20:42:51
Tried today under storm: perfect! Tried yesterday on gravel pass: perfect !  VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on August 17, 2016, 02:05:04
Tried today under storm: perfect! Tried yesterday on gravel pass: perfect !  VCIF_ThumbUp


Nice to hear. I love them on my XL600V. Worked very well on wet and dry German hilly roads. I have the TKC70 on the rear of my CT, is good on that bike too.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jack Sawdayee on August 17, 2016, 07:35:12
has anybody tried this, it is also sold in Ebay
http://nuetech.com/tubliss/ (http://nuetech.com/tubliss/)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on August 17, 2016, 13:01:00
has anybody tried this, it is also sold in Ebay
http://nuetech.com/tubliss/ (http://nuetech.com/tubliss/)
Only suitable for MX bikes I am afraid. But there are other solutions. I do not mind to ride with tubes.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Two Plugs on August 22, 2016, 12:32:16
Having done some more mileage with the Conti TKC70, I get more and more impressed by this tyre. Not on the CRF, but on the Transalp 600 (Also 21" front), but its excellent both on pavement and unpaved roads.

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13907002_1289211891118932_5421720353333806024_n.jpg?oh=517b4b0f24a2ede85c802d17e11a2302&oe=5813CEF5)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on August 22, 2016, 13:45:51
Wow, that's such a nice looking bike  VCIF_varaGrey ;D ;D
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on August 22, 2016, 15:53:41
Mileage with TCK? How do they last?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: meine dicke on August 22, 2016, 17:29:17
My Heidis, which are as well available for the AT, are still good.
Rear about 2 mm after 11000 km.
Front about 4 mm after 14000 km.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Two Plugs on August 22, 2016, 17:50:41
Mileage with TCK? How do they last?

Look at the profile of the rear tire. I guess 3.000 km done so far. Must be good for another 10k I guess.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on August 22, 2016, 18:05:19
Dunlop D610 was like this after 9682 kms

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5J3MZUVliDKQxKPaxmiCSiGbnqEdZmqto9vzk8ANxBP6ijQIriyrPLtYDKhQKgCjybghCNMpcoB5Jg=w1920-h1080-no)(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/JiGp75dw2YaBP0q_HOJ1oMPxKlenvk63JcHeZ4K9OHwHMFnkVfVF070y_pcWL6T-1LFG-RL2Ybg8VA=w1920-h1080-no)

And became :

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Lq2Y9D8qw6KoggB4Cv5Euxwt50nmfXDwdBH6ti3sLk2po3Vh1eG69keWoIu1xHDNNLoidLDKN8nq0g=w1920-h1080-no)(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kyA1hvzQY3_-sBQH7cmLRj8j7Th_RgNken6ZMIYuscXVZNdgXP9PV7m2XtgmhvUEA0GPfTrcIVhhCQ=w1920-h1080-no)


For me the first roundabout was a bit confusing, I was afraid to find the bad feeling of "falling in bends" that I had with Tourance EXP ... And then after 3/4 turns it is indeed a sense of ease in setting the angle (probably increased by a fine of 90 tire); compared to the original Dunlop. The setting angle is super easy effect; a little more difficult to put online the bike (but not worse); the back seems to hold well and poses no problem ...
So we load to go in the Alps and off we went; along the kilometers that lightness to set the angle becomes an asset.
In conclusion, on dry, wet or soggy not the slightest stall; soft coil coatings and fittings are not a problem either; no problem on the track, no tripping TC in acceleration: excellent traction! stones and rocks even inflated to 3kg not wan ... to confirm to the last conditions if I find the time,I'll put the wheels a little bit more.

Excellent grip !!!  ;D

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/joRaLbjf8WgnxM85t-JyflMmxOgLCxYysDYY0UYVBECv2mrENSHyhtEgkrpcbZPb1wD2lorT9EICbQ=w1920-h1080-no)
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Bruvex on September 10, 2016, 21:02:25
Hi Zebulon,

Are you still satisfied with your tck's?
Did you use the standard innertube or a special one wich can cope with radial TL tyres?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on September 10, 2016, 22:10:22
Still perfect  VCIF_ThumbUp done a little bit of fesh-fesh track this week, and no problem. I plan to try on some Cevennes ' track soon .
Mounted with the previous inner tube because not used enough ; you can mount without problem Bruno ! And keep us posted about your impressions .
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on September 10, 2016, 22:18:15
Some of my friends have mounted Dunlop Trailsmart ( more road profile) and enjoy it on any condition . D610 problem is because of Japanese Dunlop independence. They have made a special tire and certainly some errors in rubber mixture .  VCIF_ok
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on September 20, 2016, 19:19:05
We've done some more kils this week end; gone to Cantal to have some recognition for a next meeting. Have ride in undergrowth on dead leaves, both friends with Tourance next have lost their rear wheel for the BMuu ADV and front on Tiger Explorer ... absolutely no problem with TKC !!!  VCIF_ok
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on September 21, 2016, 01:55:37
Hi zebulon. I'm enjoying your updates on the TCK70 tyre.


With the distance you have now put on these tyres, how have you found the front in wet downhill riding? Plenty of grip?  As mentioned previously I have these on my 98 Transalp and found them good, and I have the 70 on the rear of the VFRX. The front tyre is now getting to the point where I need to change it (have road pilot 4 on at present) so am looking to see how the tyre performs downhill in the wet on a larger bike.


I'm assuming form your comments above you've had no issues with the 70's at all?


Cheers...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on September 21, 2016, 19:16:42
Absolutely no problem with these tires; front and rear haven't done any fright to the rider (nor the pillion) . We've done 200 km today with Rainer/Meine dicke  VCIF_a095 on  stunning turning (narrow) roads, up and down ( but dry weather) ; and perfect as usual  VCIF_ThumbUp. There was a guy with us with TKC on a 1190, seems not so happy then me with front .... He have some staircase, perhaps the roads rided . I can only speak about my own experience 90/90 21 front, it is  VCIF_ThumbUp
You can report about the use on the CT.  VCIF_ok
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 03, 2016, 19:57:10
Hi Zebulon,

Are you still satisfied with your tck's?
Did you use the standard innertube or a special one wich can cope with radial TL tyres?

Mounted ? so , we're waiting for your advice Bruno  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 03, 2016, 20:00:54
Yeah, Mitas E07. In a month I will give you a report :)

So, waiting for your report Jyrki  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 03, 2016, 20:04:10
I swapped the OEM Dunlops for K60 about a month ago but changed them to Conti Trail Attack 2 last week, because next couple of months I will only be giving road training and I want to spare my K60`s. First ride was towards the Eifel yesterday and it was a blast, had great fun in the twisties with these TA`s!

Perhaps a complete advice on both Heidenau & Continental ?  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on October 03, 2016, 20:26:36
Yeah, Mitas E07. In a month I will give you a report :)

So, waiting for your report Jyrki  VCIF_salut
I am very happy with them. Better on tarmac than OEM and some confidence on the loose stuff. I did not get as much loose stuff as I wanted but it was ok for the time being. More when muddy seasons starts.

I made some 6k km on tarmac and they are on half I think...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Bruvex on October 03, 2016, 21:34:54
Hi Zebulon,

Are you still satisfied with your tck's?
Did you use the standard innertube or a special one wich can cope with radial TL tyres?

Mounted ? so , we're waiting for your advice Bruno  VCIF_salut

Not mounted yet.
I'll try to do it this month an let you all know.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: bogdanbc on October 03, 2016, 21:56:51
My experience with the Mitas E07 at 5 000 km roads of the former Yugoslavia and Albania.

1. Grip of the tire on dry asphalt - 80-90% of that in Dunlop
2. The road stony, loose stones, mud and puddles - delicious
3. On wet asphalt - fatal grip, I feel less than 50% Dunlop
4. Sudden, sharp braking, I have the impression that the motorcycle "floats" (there was no inclusion ABS)
After 5000 km tread worn for 40-50% of the height.
Tires have not been punctured :-).

(http://varaderoclub.pl/Foty/bc/at_al.jpg)

(http://varaderoclub.pl/Foty/bc/at_al2.jpg)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 03, 2016, 23:36:48
Bogdan, when you say "Dunlop" it is about OEM trailmax?
You've changed Givi airflow ?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: bogdanbc on October 03, 2016, 23:54:55
Bogdan, when you say "Dunlop" it is about OEM trailmax?
Yes
Quote
You've changed Givi airflow ?
Yes, now for me is much better. If you want, I can sell You airflow for low price :)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on October 04, 2016, 10:50:37
My experience with the Mitas E07 at 5 000 km roads of the former Yugoslavia and Albania.

1. Grip of the tire on dry asphalt - 80-90% of that in Dunlop
2. The road stony, loose stones, mud and puddles - delicious
3. On wet asphalt - fatal grip, I feel less than 50% Dunlop
4. Sudden, sharp braking, I have the impression that the motorcycle "floats" (there was no inclusion ABS)
After 5000 km tread worn for 40-50% of the height.
Tires have not been punctured :-).

(http://varaderoclub.pl/Foty/bc/at_al.jpg)

(http://varaderoclub.pl/Foty/bc/at_al2.jpg)

3. I have not had  much rain so I do not know about that part.

4. I do not know if you have done knobbies before, it is normal feeling due to the higher pattern and bigger gap between blocks.

Wear depends on load and speed. The faster you go the more knobbies warm up and wear...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: bogdanbc on October 04, 2016, 11:07:52
4. I do not know if you have done knobbies before, it is normal feeling due to the higher pattern and bigger gap between blocks.
As I thought. In fact this tires are my first "knobbies" so in first shard braking I was a litte surprised.

Quote
Wear depends on load and speed. The faster you go the more knobbies warm up and wear...
Thats true. I'm not Speedy Gonzales, solo, 96 kg :-)

Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 04, 2016, 17:08:29
3. On wet asphalt - fatal grip, I feel less than 50% Dunlop

I understand you prefer OEM Dunlop on wet road ???  :o
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on October 04, 2016, 17:54:26
3. On wet asphalt - fatal grip, I feel less than 50% Dunlop

I understand you prefer OEM Dunlop on wet road ???  :o
Knobby tires are usually not so good on wet tarmac. I once almost went under a city bus in Istanbul after falling down with my XRR... a meter saved me!
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 04, 2016, 18:05:48
When we consider the "quality" of Trailmax on wet tarmac, it is worrying  VCIF_37_ohh
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Bruvex on October 15, 2016, 21:07:40
Today my dealer mounted TKC70's.

I only drove about 50klms (in the wet) with the bike today but the tires seem quite OK.

First impression is that you have to give some more input for cornering but once you're in the turn the bike is as if on rails. The few klms in the wet felt more confident than with the stock Dunlops.

I'll give some more info on how they handle when I've rode some more klms.

Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 15, 2016, 22:01:45
Today riding on (soft wet) sand, seems it is perfect, much better than scorpion trail on CT and anakee on BMuu ... Front wheel a little bit fuzzy, but sure it is the thin 21" wheel.
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Tarwdu on October 16, 2016, 18:45:25
You will have to be careful with the continental TKC as they have a joint in them.  They are made like joining the ends of a piece of string to make a circle.
The main problem with this is that under extreme conditions the inner tube rubs on this join and causes failiure of the tube. For this reason enduro riders do not use tkc.
Using tkc in the wet can be interesting depending on the type of tarmac you are on. European tarmac is generally ok as it is mostly limestone chippins. Morrocan tarmac is made with crushed marble and is lethal in the wet. Maybe Istanbul is the same.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Bruvex on October 16, 2016, 20:39:29
You will have to be careful with the continental TKC as they have a joint in them.  They are made like joining the ends of a piece of string to make a circle.
The main problem with this is that under extreme conditions the inner tube rubs on this join and causes failiure of the tube.

The moment I think I'm doing extreme things the tyre will feel like it is doing some normal stuff  ;D
Thanks for the info anyway Tarwdu  VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on October 17, 2016, 01:36:34
You will have to be careful with the continental TKC as they have a joint in them.  They are made like joining the ends of a piece of string to make a circle.
The main problem with this is that under extreme conditions the inner tube rubs on this join and causes failiure of the tube. For this reason enduro riders do not use tkc.
Using tkc in the wet can be interesting depending on the type of tarmac you are on. European tarmac is generally ok as it is mostly limestone chippins. Morrocan tarmac is made with crushed marble and is lethal in the wet. Maybe Istanbul is the same.


I've been following discussions on the TKC 70 tire on other forums and not a single person from what I can see has mentioned this issue.  The TKC 70 is getting good reviews from those who have fitted them across many different types of bikes.


I'd be interested to learn more about this though. Are there any links you know of that discuss this matter?


 
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Two Plugs on October 17, 2016, 10:07:51

I've been following discussions on the TKC 70 tire on other forums and not a single person from what I can see has mentioned this issue.  The TKC 70 is getting good reviews from those who have fitted them across many different types of bikes.

I'd be interested to learn more about this though. Are there any links you know of that discuss this matter?

You've got the TKC70 under the Transalp...

Regarding to the crushed marble in the tarmac: same goes for Greece. It can (and will) make the tarmac extremely slippery. Due to the wearing down of the tarmac, a microscopic film of marble dust is layed down on the tarmac. I almost lost the Varadero in Greece, stopping at an junction: my foot just slipped away, I could just barely hold the bike. Tires which do well under Western European sircumstances, can therefore, become a nightmare in some Southern European countries.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 17, 2016, 12:21:30
I try to understand : thx all for advices  VCIF_ThumbUp
Is it a problem with this kind of Tarmac on all tyres, or is it this tyre on this king of Tarmac? On the other hand I'll never ride in extreme enduro conditions .... So  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on October 18, 2016, 00:32:14

I've been following discussions on the TKC 70 tire on other forums and not a single person from what I can see has mentioned this issue.  The TKC 70 is getting good reviews from those who have fitted them across many different types of bikes.

I'd be interested to learn more about this though. Are there any links you know of that discuss this matter?

You've got the TKC70 under the Transalp...

Regarding to the crushed marble in the tarmac: same goes for Greece. It can (and will) make the tarmac extremely slippery. Due to the wearing down of the tarmac, a microscopic film of marble dust is layed down on the tarmac. I almost lost the Varadero in Greece, stopping at an junction: my foot just slipped away, I could just barely hold the bike. Tires which do well under Western European sircumstances, can therefore, become a nightmare in some Southern European countries.
Been there, seen that!
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on October 18, 2016, 12:28:14
I was more concerned about the comments on how the TKC tires are joined and in extreme conditions can cause the tube damage. I've not heardvof that before...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Bruvex on October 29, 2016, 21:13:18
Today I have the TKC70's for about 400 km on the bike.

First week was driven in extreme wet conditions and they give instant trust.
I never had the feeling they were going to make a side-step. I'm driving normally again in rainy conditions and not like an extremely old man who's never been on a bike before. A whole lot better than the stock Dunlops.

Last week it was very nice weather (sunny and not that cold for the time of the year) and also in these dry conditions the TKC70's are a pleasure to have on the bike.
Also the little bit off soft offroad was fun.

So for the moment I'm very pleased with these tires.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on October 29, 2016, 23:37:32
And I swapped out the tires on the AT before it was ridden from the Dunlop to the TKC 70's. I now have these on both the XL600V and the CRF1000L.


So far I rate these as one of the best I have ridden on where the tire is rated for both tarmac and gravel. For straight tarmac riding I still like the road pilot fours.


Cheers...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: varonda on February 25, 2017, 12:20:24
 What to fit? 99% of my riding will be on U.K. tarmac and after reading various posts my choice appears to be between Conti Tkc 70s or Trail Attack 2, on my last Varadero  I'd  fitted Michelin PR4 Trails which were superb and they were  also fitted to my Tiger 800 XRT after taking off the Metz Next  at 500 miles [ worst tyre I ever experienced ] BUT unfortunately Michelin don't size the PR4 s for the Africa  so which in your collective experiences  should I invest in ? your help will be much appreciated. :-\
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on February 25, 2017, 13:51:15
Maybe Anakee III? I am not sure about the sizes though.

I plan to try Anakee Wild next.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: varonda on February 25, 2017, 14:54:31
According to Michelin web page Anakee 3 aren't sized up for the AT rear  :'(
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on February 26, 2017, 02:15:27
I have TKC70's on my AT and I am really liking these tires. Most of my riding (80%) is on tarmac and the tires are nice and grippy. They wear fairly well and when I do wander onto gravel they hold their own.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on March 12, 2017, 15:34:00
As David (Mr Kiwi) loved my TKC'70; nice grip on road on all weather conditions (not ride on snow  ;) ) and nice grip too on the gravel or paths I've took ... Try to ride more gravel this summer  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on March 13, 2017, 06:34:12
As David (Mr Kiwi) loved my TKC'70; nice grip on road on all weather conditions (not ride on snow  ;) ) and nice grip too on the gravel or paths I've took ... Try to ride more gravel this summer  VCIF_salut


I took my bike out for a ride yesterday (Sunday local time) over my local big hill in pouring rain. I wanted to test my new wet weather gear and also the bike in very wet riding. The TKC 70 tires did a very good job in the wet. I must say, the more I ride with these tires the more I like them. IN the dry they are very grippy and in the wet much better than other adventure tires i have previously used.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Two Plugs on March 14, 2017, 16:58:25
Kitty used MrKiwi's Red for a spin to the UK last autumn and fell that much in love with the TKC70, that they are on order now for her DL650A V-strom! I am even thinking of replacing my current (superb) Conti Trail Attack for TKC70' under the Varadero too.  ;)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on March 14, 2017, 21:42:34
Do you get commission from them?  :P
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on March 14, 2017, 22:39:50
I wish  ;D
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 04, 2017, 03:32:44
After four days of hard riding I discovered a little problem with my front TKC 70 tire.


These tires have done just under 6,000kms. I suspect hard breaking and maybe slight under inflation have caused the splitting/cracking in the tread blocks.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-WccGv9T/0/XL/i-WccGv9T-XL.jpg)

Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Maritimer on April 04, 2017, 17:59:50
I can't see that as normal. You should check with your dealer / distributor about those tire. I have never seen any tires wearing like that.
Besides that, great road trip report. Thanks.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on April 04, 2017, 20:44:30
yeah, strange and perhaps dangerous ...  :(
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 06, 2017, 23:33:40
I sent a photo of my front tyre to my local dealer who has in turn sent to the country importer of the tyre for their assessment.


Now to wait and see if I get a sensible reply.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: SB on April 06, 2017, 23:53:26
The Metzeler Tourance has a reputation for something similar but between the tread blocks.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 07, 2017, 01:59:14
Well that was quick. A reply came back overnight. The tyre is being replaced.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on April 07, 2017, 12:28:32
Well that was quick. A reply came back overnight. The tyre is being replaced.

 VCIF_ThumbUp  VCIF_ThumbUp   VCIF_ThumbUp nice service and good to know !  ;)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Maritimer on April 10, 2017, 13:24:28
I agree, great service. I bet it could be a safety issue.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 12, 2017, 03:55:12
The question for me now is do I swap for a new TKC 70 or do I try something else?  Need to make my mind up...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: varonda on April 12, 2017, 16:19:51
 If you've been happy with the performance of the tkc 70 give a new one a whirl as the problem could just have been a one off . If it occurs again then put something else on that way you're not mixing brands.  VCIF_a_008 VCIF_varaGrey
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 12, 2017, 23:21:37
I've often mixed brands, have no issue with that.


I may try the tkc70 again though, I do like the tyre.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 17, 2017, 17:47:14
Read all this and very interested, however I'd like to know what mileage the different tires do !?

Planing 7000 Km this summer in scandinavia, I swaped the terrible D610 for conti TA2, love the grip and confidance they give me, but judging the wear
after 1500 Km, they won't last more than 4500 Km, so I need a tire set to last my whole scandinavian trip !

Looking forward to everyone's input  VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 17, 2017, 23:47:23
TKC70's should last about 9000-10,000 kms reasonably easily.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: superfunkomatic on April 18, 2017, 04:40:21
I've been debating which tires to use for a cross-Canada ride this summer (about 15,000 kilometres return).


So far, I haven't really found any issues with the OEM tires on the Africa Twin. Ridden in snow, slush, mud, gravel and pavement no issues at all. Even rode through some wet oiled mucky side roads today without and issue - speed helped clear out the tires.


I've purchased a few tires (sitting in the garage to be mounted) and am deciding between:


Mitas E-07
Avon Trekrider (new tire)
Shinko 804/805


The Mitas and Shinko are highly recommended, the Avon are brand new and look more street compatible than the other two (also rated for 50/50 use). I think by reputation the only one that would make the entire journey is the Mitas. Can't make up my mind...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 18, 2017, 10:17:21
I've been debating which tires to use for a cross-Canada ride this summer (about 15,000 kilometres return).


So far, I have really found any issues with the OEM tires on the Africa Twin. Ridden in snow, slush, mud, gravel and pavement no issues at all. Even rode through some wet oiled mucky side roads today without and issue - speed helped clear out the tires.


I've purchased a few tires (sitting in the garage to be mounted) and am deciding between:


Mitas E-07
Avon Trekrider (new tire)
Shinko 804/805


The Mitas and Shinko are highly recommended, the Avon are brand new and look more street compatible than the other two (also rated for 50/50 use). I think by reputation the only one that would make the entire journey is the Mitas. Can't make up my mind...

But unfortunately I live in Switzerland and those are typical brands you never see here, i'm not sure my Honda dealership can actually get any of these.

I also should have added that I'm not a capable offroader, I'm going to take a dirt course to actually get some good technical bases, so for now I'll be
on asphalt except forest roads if needed, but nothing hairy !

As for the OEM tires, keep in mind the asphalt compositions are much different, in Canada than Switzerland and honestly I bought the test bike, so no
idea how old these tires were. But it was only under rain that the back would never have any grip.

By the way after discussing on the french AT forum, looks like for mostly road the best would be the Pirelli scorprion trail 2.

Found this insane review http://earth-roamers.blogspot.ch/2015/11/avon-trailrider-after-25000-km.html (http://earth-roamers.blogspot.ch/2015/11/avon-trailrider-after-25000-km.html)  VCIF_ok
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: superfunkomatic on April 19, 2017, 03:59:43

I'm not a real offroader either, at least not on this bike. I have another bike to pound on for trails and more dirty oriented stuff.
I'm quite content on this bike to do forest service roads, gravel and occasional trails.


If you're looking at the Pirelli Scorpions, I think you'll enjoy them. I've ridden on a set on a previous bike and really liked them. They are basically a sport touring tire with really good grip. They just don't last that long 7-8,000 kilometres for me on a heavy bike.


The Avon TrailRiders also get excellent reviews from BMuu riders on the big GS and they are similar to the Scorpions.

I've been debating which tires to use for a cross-Canada ride this summer (about 15,000 kilometres return).


So far, I have really found any issues with the OEM tires on the Africa Twin. Ridden in snow, slush, mud, gravel and pavement no issues at all. Even rode through some wet oiled mucky side roads today without and issue - speed helped clear out the tires.


I've purchased a few tires (sitting in the garage to be mounted) and am deciding between:


Mitas E-07
Avon Trekrider (new tire)
Shinko 804/805


The Mitas and Shinko are highly recommended, the Avon are brand new and look more street compatible than the other two (also rated for 50/50 use). I think by reputation the only one that would make the entire journey is the Mitas. Can't make up my mind...

But unfortunately I live in Switzerland and those are typical brands you never see here, i'm not sure my Honda dealership can actually get any of these.

I also should have added that I'm not a capable offroader, I'm going to take a dirt course to actually get some good technical bases, so for now I'll be
on asphalt except forest roads if needed, but nothing hairy !

As for the OEM tires, keep in mind the asphalt compositions are much different, in Canada than Switzerland and honestly I bought the test bike, so no
idea how old these tires were. But it was only under rain that the back would never have any grip.

By the way after discussing on the french AT forum, looks like for mostly road the best would be the Pirelli scorprion trail 2.

Found this insane review http://earth-roamers.blogspot.ch/2015/11/avon-trailrider-after-25000-km.html (http://earth-roamers.blogspot.ch/2015/11/avon-trailrider-after-25000-km.html)  VCIF_ok
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 19, 2017, 09:19:41

I'm not a real offroader either, at least not on this bike. I have another bike to pound on for trails and more dirty oriented stuff.
I'm quite content on this bike to do forest service roads, gravel and occasional trails.


If you're looking at the Pirelli Scorpions, I think you'll enjoy them. I've ridden on a set on a previous bike and really liked them. They are basically a sport touring tire with really good grip. They just don't last that long 7-8,000 kilometres for me on a heavy bike.


The Avon TrailRiders also get excellent reviews from BMuu riders on the big GS and they are similar to the Scorpions.


Great, then I'll check with my Honda dealership if they can find these Avon TrailRiders, because I might do other trips after
Scandinavia, It's just the first one I'll do to see what works for me and what doesn't, so if tires can last the rest of the season
and not require 2 more swaps I'm fine with that !

Thanks for all the informations, it's much apreciated !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on April 19, 2017, 13:54:15
seems Scorpion is very nice on road ! but worse on path, gravel, sand, etc .... consider personal feeling with a tire is very different , considering (age of the pilot  ;D ) roads where you ride, and how you ride, on the same bike; so I do not consider, a tire fitting a varadero or BMuu is nice on the AT  ...  VCIF_ok
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 19, 2017, 14:53:45
seems Scorpion is very nice on road ! but worse on path, gravel, sand, etc .... consider personal feeling with a tire is very different , considering (age of the pilot  ;D ) roads where you ride, and how you ride, on the same bike; so I do not consider, a tire fitting a varadero or BMuu is nice on the AT  ...  VCIF_ok

Well I might go with the Avon anyway, because I don't want to risk completely wearing out a Pirelli, to do my vacation and get back
home barely !

I was thinking about tire tests the other day, if you don't consider that some magazines or sites are paid, to give manufacturers good
reviews, then how is it possible they always pretty much all agree on this or that tire being the best.
While all over forums, different people tend to like different brands, depending driving style and motorcycle, this will always puzzle me !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: superfunkomatic on April 22, 2017, 18:24:51
It does make it tough to make a decision. Forum riders have said that the Avon Trailriders will go from 6,000 kilometres to 20,000. The Mitas E-07 from 3-4,000 kilometres to 18,000. The Heidenau K60 from 6,000 (mine) to 18-20,000 kilometres. There can't be that much variation in riding and road conditions for those types of gaps in the data.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on April 22, 2017, 19:19:32
I was thinking about tire tests the other day, if you don't consider that some magazines or sites are paid, to give manufacturers good
reviews, then how is it possible they always pretty much all agree on this or that tire being the best.
While all over forums, different people tend to like different brands, depending driving style and motorcycle, this will always puzzle me !

That's why you are here, and not only reading magazines  ;D
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 23, 2017, 00:44:34
It does make it tough to make a decision. Forum riders have said that the Avon Trailriders will go from 6,000 kilometres to 20,000. The Mitas E-07 from 3-4,000 kilometres to 18,000. The Heidenau K60 from 6,000 (mine) to 18-20,000 kilometres. There can't be that much variation in riding and road conditions for those types of gaps in the data.


I agree. From my experience I always get more distance than the minimums some people warn about (only 3-4000km) but I can never attain the distances some claim. Tire wear on a range of bikes and a range of tires I have used tend to be much closer to the reviews in magazines or the specifications provided by the tire manufacturer.


As an observation, some riders recommend running tires on pressure below that recommended by the tire manufacturer and in my experience this is the quickest way to accelerate tire wear.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: SB on April 23, 2017, 09:48:46
As an observation, some riders recommend running tires on pressure below that recommended by the tire manufacturer and in my experience this is the quickest way to accelerate tire wear.

Tyre pressure make a lot of difference to wear rates but so does riding style and the type of roads ridden (all motorways, heavy traffic or fast country roads).

A few years back I went on a 2 week trip from Scotland to the Maratime Alps. 2 Vara's a GSX-R and a VFR. The VFR rider had no confidence in the corners but didn't like being at the back of the group. He would nail it on the straights and then hard on the brakes at the first sign of a bend. 10 days into the trip in Southern France he needed a new back tyre.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 23, 2017, 10:12:12
Yeah It's really weird, on all my yamahas I would do at least 14'000 Km on PR4 or roadsmart II and that was on a FZ8 and MT-09, so no need to say I could ride hard and be quite tough on tires !
I'm guessing the Honda guidelines are ridiculous, 2.0 bar front and 2.5 bar rear I think that's why my TA2 are wearing so fast, especially the front, what pressure do you guys use with no load on the bike !?

But thanks guys, I wasn't expecting so many replies I love this forum allready  VCIF_ThumbUp !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on April 23, 2017, 12:29:21
Done quietly 10 000 kms with OEM Dunlops, have a look here to see how they was (http://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1248.msg16573#msg16573); TKC have done quietly the same and are in very good conditions. Rides most part of their life on twisted road in Alps and Cévennes...
I inflate 2.0 in the front 2.5 alone for rear, 2.8 with pillion (we are not very heavy- I'm around 78kgs at this time ...) up to 3.0 with pillion and luggages... Wait and see how much kils I can do with the TKC
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 23, 2017, 13:18:02
The issue is I'm not eager to try TKC, because my logic sugests that being the same company as the TA2, there is a good chance the rubber and wear would behave in a same fashion, so going another brand seems more logical !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 23, 2017, 13:54:26
The issue is I'm not eager to try TKC, because my logic sugests that being the same company as the TA2, there is a good chance the rubber and wear would behave in a same fashion, so going another brand seems more logical !


the tkc 70 is a very different tire than the TA2.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 23, 2017, 18:19:40
The issue is I'm not eager to try TKC, because my logic sugests that being the same company as the TA2, there is a good chance the rubber and wear would behave in a same fashion, so going another brand seems more logical !


the tkc 70 is a very different tire than the TA2.

I read that in fact the basic carcass is the same as the TA2 and same multigrip, as well as raingrip technologies, so in fact it looks like it's just more thread and more dirt oriented, but actually the rest is the same !

Even on the continental website, the spiderweb graphic giving the difference between TKC 70, 80 and TA2, give the same mileage ont both TA2 and TKC 70. So when the manufacturer says that, i'm still more convinced on the Avon and again I don't need a 60/40 tire, 80/20 is the maximum i'd need.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 23, 2017, 23:11:22
The issue is I'm not eager to try TKC, because my logic sugests that being the same company as the TA2, there is a good chance the rubber and wear would behave in a same fashion, so going another brand seems more logical !


I read that in fact the basic carcass is the same as the TA2 and same multigrip, as well as raingrip technologies, so in fact it looks like it's just more thread and more dirt oriented, but actually the rest is the same !

Even on the continental website, the spiderweb graphic giving the difference between TKC 70, 80 and TA2, give the same mileage ont both TA2 and TKC 70. So when the manufacturer says that, i'm still more convinced on the Avon and again I don't need a 60/40 tire, 80/20 is the maximum i'd need.


That being said the TKC 70 is more like a 70/30 tire in reality and it wears better in my view than the TA2's. But you should put tires on that you are comfortable with. I used the TKC 70 because I ride the majority of the time on tarmac, but occasionally on gravel. I've never used Avon so can't comment on it, other than to say I have never rated them. I'll be interested in your experience on them.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 24, 2017, 00:52:30
Just got back from my local dealer, my faulty TKC70 front tire has been replaced, as noted before, free of charge. At just under 6,000 km the ire looked still fairly new apart from that strange cracking.


Let's see if this one fares any better.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 24, 2017, 08:26:47
Funny you mention this, my TA2 in the center of the tires has small tears from my last ride, the rubber chips off the tire.
I've never seen this kind of thing, on my other Dunlops or Michelins and Bridgestones, another thing which doesn't give me a lot of confidence on trying the TKC 70.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 27, 2017, 01:41:18
I spent some time at one of my 5 local motorbike shops this morning talking tires.


I have a question for any of you who might care to comment.


Running tubeless tires with tubes on the AT is fine, very happy with that. However, what is your view about whether or not you need the same pressure of slightly less when running with a tubed tire?


Also, the manual recommends for a single rider 2.0 bar for front and 2.5 bar for rear. I would normally run 2.2 front and 2.9 rear (32 psi front and 40 to 42 psi rear - yes I still think in psi even though we have been metric for nearly 40 years).
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 27, 2017, 08:47:54
I don't know about TT/TL pressure difference, I see contradictory reports on this, however the TT does loose pressure faster than the TL, that's for sure.
It's my first TT bike and what I'm experiencing, is that I think the Honda guidelines are too low and wear my tires faster, on lighter Yamahas I always used 2.3bars for front and 2.5bar for rear and rode as hard as now. I pushed to 2.2 for front and 2.6 for rear, not feeling much handling difference, so i'd be inclined to think Honda's guidelines are too low.

For comparison, I searched the recommended pressures on similar bikes, KTM 990 and Suz V-strom 1000, around same torque and weight, KTM having exactly the same rim sizes. Well KTM recommend 35/35psi and Suz 33/36, so the 29/36psi from Honda seem at least too low for front ! Even the Tiger 800 is 36/42psi and the F800GS 32/35, with less torque and weight.

Considering all that, I'd say I'll go with 34-35psi in front and 38psi in the rear, AKA 2.4/2.6bars !


Reading some forums I see weird things, some people go according to bigger Wheel equals to higher pressure, that seems pretty crazy like 42/36 for 21"/18", not sure about that logic !!!
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 27, 2017, 10:20:44
Yes I tend to agree. I'm going to increase my pressure. I suspect the strange wear I had on my last TKC 70 was because of this low pressure on a long 4 day tarmac ride
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on April 27, 2017, 11:07:39
I' ve ride few days (around 2 weeks - each day around 300kms) on hard roads , passes, some gravel, and rocks on French and Swiss alps this last summer; and no problem with the TKC with the above pressures .... Quietly all ride have been done with pillion and luggages ...
The fact is (IMHO) you can deflate easily with TT for off road use. Seems it is one reason involved by Honda to explain this choice . Yes I had 2.5 in the front on my previous Deros, but is not a problem to ride with "only" 2 now, perhaps it is more comfortable  ;D and have less parasite returns in the handlebar... We had the same problem in MTB and have to inflate more to maintain tire on the wheel when TL arrived.
So not a problem for me for instance , but I keep an eye on this discussion and try to learn of you guys
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 27, 2017, 11:54:19
I' ve ride few days (around 2 weeks - each day around 300kms) on hard roads , passes, some gravel, and rocks on French and Swiss alps this last summer; and no problem with the TKC with the above pressures .... Quietly all ride have been done with pillion and luggages ...
The fact is (IMHO) you can deflate easily with TT for off road use. Seems it is one reason involved by Honda to explain this choice . Yes I had 2.5 in the front on my previous Deros, but is not a problem to ride with "only" 2 now, perhaps it is more comfortable  ;D and have less parasite returns in the handlebar... We had the same problem in MTB and have to inflate more to maintain tire on the wheel when TL arrived.
So not a problem for me for instance , but I keep an eye on this discussion and try to learn of you guys
 VCIF_salut

Well, after talking riding techniques, DCT/manual and tires on different forums, I now realise I'm quite a trail braker and been doing it since the beginnings with a lot of countersteering, this being in most cases done more on the front, giving more grip and pressure on it, I'd guess that my way of driving requires far more pressure in the front, than those 2.0bars or that the tire as I experienced it, will wear very fast !
I think also i was around 1.8 for a while so with the alpine roads, not good for the tire wear of course !

But that's not very Wise, to try and learn from us 2 that apparently don't really have a clue  :P, what's exactly working or not  VCIF_37_ohh !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on April 27, 2017, 12:35:03
have discussed hundreds of post on Dero's tires during the last 15 years ... and feeling on tires is something very personal . We had all done hundreds of thousands kilometers on Deros with different tires, and different feelings; and oftenly with the same tire, feelings were differents. We have in France different profiles, and somebody leaving near Paris or in Normandie have a square tire , no need to use the brake on flat roads ;D ; we ride here on very narrow & twisty roads, and sure I'm not so heavy then David or Jyrky (to say about AT drivers  ;D ) so sure it also have an influence on tires's pression; (certainly same difference when you ride thru Denmark & Swiss) ; sure I'm not a pilot, riding cool; sure it influence also my feeling on my tires.
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 27, 2017, 14:02:56
have discussed hundreds of post on Dero's tires during the last 15 years ... and feeling on tires is something very personal . We had all done hundreds of thousands kilometers on Deros with different tires, and different feelings; and oftenly with the same tire, feelings were differents. We have in France different profiles, and somebody leaving near Paris or in Normandie have a square tire , no need to use the brake on flat roads ;D ; we ride here on very narrow & twisty roads, and sure I'm not so heavy then David or Jyrky (to say about AT drivers  ;D ) so sure it also have an influence on tires's pression; (certainly same difference when you ride thru Denmark & Swiss) ; sure I'm not a pilot, riding cool; sure it influence also my feeling on my tires.
 VCIF_salut


That's the thing that always makes me wonder, how is it possible the magazines have pretty much always the same unilateral opinions during tests, like last year all of them saying the Pirelli ST2 is the best trail road tire ever !?
Are they robots from outer space hell bent on dominating the rubber market !!!  VCIF_78_tipp
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 27, 2017, 22:46:43
The only thing I take from magazines is that they have tested the tire.

I find the best advice is to go to a motorcycle shop and find someone who has worked in the parts bit of the shop for years and years and glean from them their views on the range of tires they have. Once I've struck up a personal relationship with the parts man I can get past the sales pitch and start getting to their views on what works better.

But at the end of the day I agree with zebulon - you have two very similar riders on the same bike with the same tires and they both have different views. At the end of the day you go with what works for you and your riding preferences.

By the way Djairouks, I'm riding through Switzerland in late June  VCIF_varaGrey
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on April 27, 2017, 22:52:45
The only thing I take from magazines is that they have tested the tire.

I find the best advice is to go to a motorcycle shop and find someone who has worked in the parts bit of the shop for years and years and glean from them their views on the range of tires they have. Once I've struck up a personal relationship with the parts man I can get past the sales pitch and start getting to their views on what works better.

But at the end of the day I agree with zebulon - you have two very similar riders on the same bike with the same tires and they both have different views. At the end of the day you go with what works for you and your riding preferences.

By the way Djairouks, I'm riding through Switzerland in late June  VCIF_varaGrey

I'll normally be in Norway at the same time unfortunately, well the schedule is elastic, we'll see !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: varonda on April 29, 2017, 20:52:01
 Anyone heard of or used Anlas Capra R tyres ?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 30, 2017, 00:19:41
Anyone heard of or used Anlas Capra R tyres ?


Never heard of them.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on April 30, 2017, 12:40:08

Never heard of them.

+1 , Never heard about them   8)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on April 30, 2017, 12:51:13
(http://www.tyrepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Capra-R-800x800.png)

http://www.tyrepress.com/2016/11/cambrian-tyres-importing-anlas-tyres-for-bikes-scooters/ (http://www.tyrepress.com/2016/11/cambrian-tyres-importing-anlas-tyres-for-bikes-scooters/) , and have a look on the last sentence  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: varonda on April 30, 2017, 17:03:40
Interesting  ??? just wondering who the 'big manufacturer ' is -- no doubt the answer will appear shortly . So as yet no reports on wear and more importantly on wet grip -- Cambrian list sizes for the AT -- I'm willing to try them for free if they offer  VCIF_a_008 they've only got to ask.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on April 30, 2017, 23:25:52
Interesting  ??? just wondering who the 'big manufacturer ' is -- no doubt the answer will appear shortly . So as yet no reports on wear and more importantly on wet grip -- Cambrian list sizes for the AT -- I'm willing to try them for free if they offer  VCIF_a_008 they've only got to ask.


ha ha ha - shall we form a queue?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on May 02, 2017, 19:04:58
Anyone heard of or used Anlas Capra R tyres ?
Turkish tire factory.

http://www.anlas.com/en/ (http://www.anlas.com/en/)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on May 05, 2017, 23:06:09
The issue is I'm not eager to try TKC, because my logic sugests that being the same company as the TA2, there is a good chance the rubber and wear would behave in a same fashion, so going another brand seems more logical !


the tkc 70 is a very different tire than the TA2.

Confirmed David ! I've ride my friend's AT with TA2 on some roads in Massif Central these last days... Very different from TKC70 !!!  Not so easy to put on the angle, not so easy to keep on the angle, not so easy to change angles ... He makes a very big comma on wet tarmac, coming to our meeting  :-[  we have to ride under snowy conditions (perhaps some pictures soon ) ; absolutely no problem with TKC during these duo ridings .
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on May 06, 2017, 01:42:22
thanks, zebulon. Yes, very different on road performance between the two tires on the same bike. Also the TKC70 wears longer. cheers David.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on May 06, 2017, 12:11:05
thanks, zebulon. Yes, very different on road performance between the two tires on the same bike. Also the TKC70 wears longer. cheers David.

Hope they also have difference on gravel  ;D  ;D  ;D we'll have a look, we have plan strada Della assietta (http://www.stradadellassietta.it/inglese/strada_assietta/strada_assietta.php) this summer ...  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on May 06, 2017, 12:14:41
I can add if it can help , we have both 2 in front, 2.9 bars in the rear , both in duo condition ( and he is heavier then me  ;D )
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on May 06, 2017, 14:12:53
thanks, zebulon. Yes, very different on road performance between the two tires on the same bike. Also the TKC70 wears longer. cheers David.

Hope they also have difference on gravel  ;D ;D ;D we'll have a look, we have plan strada Della assietta (http://www.stradadellassietta.it/inglese/strada_assietta/strada_assietta.php) this summer ...  VCIF_salut


My experience is the The TKC70 is more sure on gravel than the 80/20 tires like the TA2.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on May 06, 2017, 14:14:06
I can add if it can help , we have both 2 in front, 2.9 bars in the rear , both in duo condition ( and he is heavier then me  ;D )
 VCIF_salut


Yes was wondering what pressures you were running.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on May 06, 2017, 15:16:16
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/IeEC3d8vqjFnLiZgWIc-apGpt50yok0oWv8WIp2-R_1vPotPjwtxVjrrC7iqG0-XMRVGC1dDe5UK871nDomYvMMYrc7jDYklPII9vcOSRPFtj_vkaj0sclSO72kwc3y1SDjq3Y6gXFBkqS74z5Kmmj8uQsbzvBU_8PCihLb4fuMNvDM3fmzYQlYdqCoOUHdshkkYNouCNlzSNk4BaT0dAu4WHJ7sAWBAkD_r84IyW-dZ4_NtE1xTDXWnaYttN65ZCTWo5lIschWPvyQMD9yN19iVTQ5sMGReKesDtzr9YDv41XbXyMHFoDOsjNqwW_wZ0y402QFQX_vZpMuyp00jEN7KfbhTz14ppnPWf8GOwHVy4uTx22XJka6qW74L4J8e0Cc7AvdlZwq8VTdPV9wRazhTjWYOWHQsj5di-A39ddnkd2FOqY5_RwVZ3Giq_YOCHsnQeWTFgxUPup3g_-0jSLMALUcI1onBmLumGwVQ9MVjPtn4qL-E9olaGW0pQxpGb1XiyqLlQ_OZIqVb7U37zH1vRArvNRfTzkChmcWfb3CMdanCwfcp13tVFtVGr6eJtFEB6-HY1qg9_QQS9WNANHCwPT-4YNRLuw6TxfC377rxnUmrLQwx=w1328-h747-no)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: varonda on May 06, 2017, 20:54:07
Just had the Trail Attacks fitted and first impressions are  VCIF_a040hae and they appear to stick like the proverbial to a blanket  VCIF_a_008
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Two Plugs on May 06, 2017, 23:32:25
Just had the Trail Attacks fitted and first impressions are  VCIF_a040hae and they appear to stick like the proverbial to a blanket  VCIF_a_008

Sublime choice! 👍
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on May 07, 2017, 23:23:18
Just had the Trail Attacks fitted and first impressions are  VCIF_a040hae and they appear to stick like the proverbial to a blanket  VCIF_a_008


On an Africa Twin?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: varonda on May 07, 2017, 23:38:54
 Oh yes MrKiwi -- the nearest my AT gets to the greenery is using the Derbyshire and Yorkshire Dales single track roads that have
 a green centre line through lack of use  ;) -- by the way are you the same Kiwi that contributes to the Tiger 800 site ?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on May 07, 2017, 23:45:11
Admin mode on < easier if you complete your profile with bike model and yom, thx > admin mode off  ;)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on May 07, 2017, 23:56:59
Oh yes MrKiwi -- the nearest my AT gets to the greenery is using the Derbyshire and Yorkshire Dales single track roads that have
 a green centre line through lack of use  ;) -- by the way are you the same Kiwi that contributes to the Tiger 800 site ?


Yes, I did, when I had my Tiger but I have not been on that site for quite some time.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on June 06, 2017, 08:38:03
After some 2000km around Switzerland, here's new feedback on the TA2 !

I was wrong, apparently the beginning of the tire wore a lot but now it's stabilized, so from what I see 9000km should be possible on the rear and 12000km on the front, speaking of new tires of course.
Though the tires perform absolutely great on tarmac, with 2.2bar front and 2.6bar rear, there is one thing i experienced many times that bothers me quite a lot. the tire will absolutely slide on sewer plates or metal seals on bridges and that's even the other day, 31 degrees and sunny so that's not very nice and I'm a bit annoyed because otherwhise can't complain !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on June 06, 2017, 11:28:29
TKC70 have now 10 000 kms and are quiet good front and rear  VCIF_ok gravel session have begun and will continue these next times. This tire is still perfect in all conditions .
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on June 06, 2017, 13:42:10
TKC70 have now 10 000 kms and are quiet good front and rear  VCIF_ok gravel session have begun and will continue these next times. This tire is still perfect in all conditions .
 VCIF_salut

What about metal parts on the road, do they react as I said the TA2 does !?
Another small complaint on the TA2 is the handlebar wobbles a bit at certain speeds, of course it's only perceptible in long straight roads, buit it's not coming from the bike since the Dunlops didn't show this behaviour.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on June 06, 2017, 15:33:41
What about metal parts on the road, do they react as I said the TA2 does !?
Another small complaint on the TA2 is the handlebar wobbles a bit at certain speeds, of course it's only perceptible in long straight roads, buit it's not coming from the bike since the Dunlops didn't show this behaviour.

No problem in all conditions with the TKC (for instance  ;D ) rided in snowy, wet or mossy conditions; I had these problem with front wheel and handlebar on the previous OEM Dunlop, but after some adjustments on the fork, it's quietly ok (perhaps just have one these last 3000 km - since I'm back of the mountain  ;) )
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on June 06, 2017, 22:49:23
What about metal parts on the road, do they react as I said the TA2 does !?
Another small complaint on the TA2 is the handlebar wobbles a bit at certain speeds, of course it's only perceptible in long straight roads, buit it's not coming from the bike since the Dunlops didn't show this behaviour.

No problem in all conditions with the TKC (for instance  ;D ) rided in snowy, wet or mossy conditions; I had these problem with front wheel and handlebar on the previous OEM Dunlop, but after some adjustments on the fork, it's quietly ok (perhaps just have one these last 3000 km - since I'm back of the mountain  ;) )

Great ! I think I'll just go with these then for my travel, to be prepared for any road conditions !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on June 06, 2017, 22:52:36

Great ! I think I'll just go with these then for my travel, to be prepared for any road conditions !

Surely a good choice !  VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on July 06, 2017, 08:53:18
A little feedback on tires, as I am leaving on the 10th.

Swapped the tires yesterday, it began to rain as I was leaving the garage, so I could test the TKC70 under the rain and they are amazing, I prefer these even to the PR4 I had on my MT-09.
On dry road they seem just as capable, if not even more stable than the TA2, I definitely feel more stable going low speed in trafic with the TKC and I don't have the issue of sliding on metal sewer covers that the TA2 did.

So for now I'm really pleased with them and just need to see how they fare on the highway, but if they are also that good I might not switch back to TA2 for the home and comuting driving !

Thanks for your help to convince me trying these  VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on July 06, 2017, 11:37:25
Changed my TKC70 for .... TKC70  ;D last week changed rear one with 11200 kilometers, it can do a bit more , but I have to go for 4 days riding on Apls' roads and tracks during Africatwin festival. At the end it has melted quickly. I 've changed front when coming back 12800 kms, a lot of  stair case, and not fine to ride, but still a lot of rubber.
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on July 06, 2017, 12:09:33
Ohhh forgot to mention, I definitely feel it grip better when i use front brake, stops quicker than with the TA2 !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on July 06, 2017, 14:39:15
I have now over 10k with Mitas E-07  and no problem on wet (unfortunately we had many rainy travelling days :().

More than 3rd still left... I will report when I finish them.

This is my 2nd set, first I took of after 10k as we had to leave to VIM tour which was planned to be about 10k and I could not believe tires will take 20k  8)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on July 07, 2017, 04:20:15
I know my transalp is not an AT, but I have over 12,000km on my TKC70's on my bike now and I have probably a couple of thousand kms left.


Interestingly I get no where near the same distance here in NZ, our road surface is rougher and tire wear is more rapid.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: james.mc on July 07, 2017, 05:58:54
Continental TKC 70 - Tyre Review

Conti creates a new ADV tire designed to last longer while still providing good bite in the dirt.
By Blake Conner  August 18, 2014

(http://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/import/embedded/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Continental-TKC-70-action-LEAD-590x393.jpg?itok=pijiuDXp)

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/08/18/continental-tkc-70-adventure-bike-motorcycle-tire-review#page-4 (http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/08/18/continental-tkc-70-adventure-bike-motorcycle-tire-review#page-4)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on July 07, 2017, 09:05:10
It's confirmed, my short commute on the highway this morning was as good as with TA2s, there where works on a village road full of gravel, barely felt the front move and breaking was flawless.
I still confirm that the bike is more neutral when going slow in trafic, it's absolutely fantastic especially loaded, but then the cornering is even better than the TA2 to me, I need less effort to lean while not feeling the bike droping down either !

I think these will be my tire of choice permnantly, in any road situations !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on July 07, 2017, 09:11:45
Absolutely a good choice !  VCIF_ThumbUp you do not say previously it was the same as TA ?
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on July 07, 2017, 15:13:48
Absolutely a good choice !  VCIF_ThumbUp you do not say previously it was the same as TA ?
 VCIF_salut

Sorry, what is the same !?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on July 07, 2017, 19:46:20
The issue is I'm not eager to try TKC, because my logic sugests that being the same company as the TA2, there is a good chance the rubber and wear would behave in a same fashion, so going another brand seems more logical !

Absolutely a good choice !  VCIF_ThumbUp you do not say previously it was the same as TA ?
 VCIF_salut

Sorry, what is the same !?

 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: james.mc on July 08, 2017, 08:20:48
I'll be replacing my OEM tyres with TKC70's for sure.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on July 22, 2017, 16:38:28
Back from Sweden and Norway, unfortunately weather was horrendous so had to camp in norway with freezing temperatures, my sleeping bag wasn't up to the job so cut quickly to sweden, which was barely better in terms of temperature.

But 5244 Km done on he TKC70 and apparently front can still do twice that and the rear crazily only lost 0.7 of a milimeter, surely because of the 60Km/h and camping cars in Norway, but that would mean about 40'000 Km would be possible !!!
Never in any weather, temperature, in grass, gravel or badly paved roads, never did I feel the tires let go and I got almost 4 days of non stop rain !
They made the bike very easy, even in camping grounds with wet soil and the fully loaded motorcycle (aprox 40Kg).
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on July 22, 2017, 18:08:29
 VCIF_ThumbUp happy to see our advice were good  ;) you will notice that rear will wear out quickly towards the end ...  :-\

<modus mode on> please notice we have no place on server , you have to link your pictures from an other server. A few thread explain how to do, and you have a poll also to vote, if you prefer place (and pay) here or not , thank you <modus mode off>

 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: superfunkomatic on July 17, 2018, 00:52:05
Just used the Michelin Anakee Wild front tire and the Mitas E12 Rally Star tire on the rear. Wow! What a great road and offroad combination. The Michelin Anakee Wild has been my favorite tire on the front of the Africa Twin - best road and gravel/trail tire yet.
The Mitas E12 is superb in gravel, muck and mud, wet road performance and general touring.
After 5,500 kilometres the Michelin front has about 40-50% of life left and the Mitas E12 rear has about 1,000 kilometres of useful gravel riding life yet. A really good combination for adventure riding.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on July 20, 2018, 16:43:58
Also giving an update on the TKC70, I don't think I'll be putting these on my AT anymore, I barely got to 8000km now and my rear is so square
that I feel it sliding in turns... while the sides of the tire are barely worn.

So while it was great on hard dirt rocks and gravel, as well as the roads all around Europe, but I'll go back to Conti TA2 I guess for good unilateral
wear and tear.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on July 24, 2018, 13:04:48
Something like this ?  ;D  (more then 12000 kms...)

(http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/R1OSyaC1i_T0fvUkHrhil_QqL3IJoO7Bz5a07zjDXFPU6P0KUXvWyjxB4Y-cv6ZJtF0PLPRKcbo8SPYIqbxEXypba6i1mIEyU6K20Tv8GagexxfgFvVhTQqH0T4p0pGNGqSkele1FVIg-rfVmuLYDfY8WgOVYDAl5rMVEl32NzZQVaYBm6LfyqYJDt0DYEqvI6hmKPIZO9Ny4sYS9CkZ-Tje9fZ-RyGvAdvHuyVoGAFy6JRAxWkRZ6PyWuceoQ6VplXvYhvdF19Rww7XgaPH2TT6ShUqoLM9fQ09J_a7e7zpo0r88qJHPs52lk-xb4owNAVw7CF_ippX7v3FY8Ot7sneS7vrnbOMocfuvKIcJtLMEzIHob-rw7sAfnDA3UK4ZquersACS9E13RqOivdudV-04FIW0X1fTd-f6N3GTTU8b1i6URDnsMmL2UHLqYq5E5KsdzmYZoFY12fDgxbhFFR-vHeq0aLupDJPPdfe0Xura2pZA025dj16f6knxkm_oHZccV829YDpXTOet0CuCsQEuqk1uwrAWnhwWADoilF25QgB63psqRE4lzHiAYrEHq46YCQLFxIHzJ_gxBAckHp0-yOUSI146JvcmFEKsTj2GR1_ZQiGz6f56yBU4RD2d_OVrGZkM2NqmBQ2xVZGUTjeTHDKlfy2=w651-h867-no)

Do not worry, some people live in country they can only make square tires !  ;D  ;D

I will give a chance at the new MITAS E07+ next time ; any report ?
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on August 31, 2018, 23:00:46
(https://i91.servimg.com/u/f91/17/48/93/82/img_2010.jpg)

Mitas E07+ mounted, some report after our Alps + Corsica trip  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on September 04, 2018, 14:03:41
Mo, even the same day  VCIF_ThumbUp

E07 has 18k KM...
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2qnze6p.jpg)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on September 06, 2018, 17:38:44
Still nobody have given a chance to the AVON Trekrider ?  VCIF_ok
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on September 06, 2018, 17:49:06
The Michelin Anakee Wild has been my favorite tire on the front of the Africa Twin - best road and gravel/trail tire yet.

>Do not find here 90/90 ??? (only 80/90...) confirmed on michelin site  (https://moto.michelin.fr/FR/fr/tyres/HONDA/Africa%20Twin%20CRF1000L%20ABS/2016.html)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: superfunkomatic on September 07, 2018, 02:47:44
The 90/90 21" was available here in the spring but all sources now show out of stock. I wonder if the tire is going to be updated like they do with their other motorcycle tires (Pilot Road 3, 4, ...)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on September 07, 2018, 04:33:13
Still nobody have given a chance to the AVON Trekrider ?  VCIF_ok
I have this tire on my 1998 XL600V.
I really like the tire, but it has a narrow width. You can put it on the AT, it makes it a little more tippy in the corners but the tire has good grip on tarmac and extra grip on gravel compared to the TKC on gravel.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on September 29, 2018, 01:13:57

The Michelin Anakee Wild has been my favorite tire on the front of the Africa Twin - best road and gravel/trail tire yet.

You confirm, not too noisy, and not too much vibration? I'll perhaps give a chance  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: superfunkomatic on September 29, 2018, 01:34:03

No, it's noisy for sure. It howls but it doesn't really bother me.
No vibration for me at all. I have an MT21 Pirelli on now and it has vibration at low speed but the Michelin had none.
Really confidence inspiring on gravel and dirt - still my favourite so far. And longevity (on the front tire) that matches most 50/50 tires.
I'm going to use it again next summer for the front and a Mitas E07 Dakar on the back for another cross-country trek next summer - 15,000 kilometres again.


The Michelin Anakee Wild has been my favorite tire on the front of the Africa Twin - best road and gravel/trail tire yet.

You confirm, not too noisy, and not too much vibration? I'll perhaps give a chance  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jasper on October 11, 2018, 04:33:33
So.... the consensus for highway and "gravel" roads is Conti TKC70 or TA's ??
What seems best for the twisties and longevity??
Not looking for 50/50

P.S.  yes, Jasper is still here (Vara) ...and also riding Ruby Red  (AT)  ;)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on October 11, 2018, 08:08:18
So.... the consensus for highway and "gravel" roads is Conti TKC70 or TA's ??
What seems best for the twisties and longevity??
Not looking for 50/50

P.S.  yes, Jasper is still here (Vara) ...and also riding Ruby Red  (AT)  ;)

Twisties TA2, they are the ones that made me most confident in leaning far, the TKC are almost as good it's impressive, but to me if
you'll be doing lots of highway, the TKC were too shaky while the TA2 weren't at all and much more stable.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 11, 2018, 11:48:38
As said previously, absolutely TKC70 is a good multipurpose tire; never had any problem on road, very hot, wet, sleepy (leaves), rainy , alone or two on the bike. makes an excellent job on gravel/ rocks if you do not adopt an enduro rhythm , sure less comfortable in mud condition.
I can say it is perfect on AT (used 2 sets) and as picture above (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1248.msg21441#msg21441) after 12 000 kms and still have made 3000 km more with  front (will change one of these days. )
 VCIF_ok
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 20, 2018, 19:13:24
have given a chance to Anakee wild after Mike's advice  VCIF_ThumbUp

(https://i91.servimg.com/u/f91/17/48/93/82/img_2111.jpg)

depending on how much time and weather (30° for instance) before beginning of ski season; I will report...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: superfunkomatic on October 21, 2018, 18:13:29

Excellent. Please let us know what you think. I'm still going on my front tire - almost 9,000 kilometres. Still really great traction. I did about 150 kilometres of gravel, dirt, clay, mud and snow/ice yesterday. Really great tire.
 VCIF_ThumbUp
have given a chance to Anakee wild after Mike's advice  VCIF_ThumbUp

(https://i91.servimg.com/u/f91/17/48/93/82/img_2111.jpg)

depending on how much time and weather (30° for instance) before beginning of ski season; I will report...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 21, 2018, 18:37:39
Quietly 300 kms (quietly honed) , nice on road ( not too much turns for instance ride in Camargue), a little bit more noisy as TKC (normal, more knobby) , as said less vibration then TKC (good point  VCIF_ThumbUp ) excellent on gravel ( but not faster then 55km/h -riding with Michelle) ; and perfect in mud (not a long part done ... Try to have a small trip before weather season and some off road session scheduled with Exvara/Jacques  VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 21, 2018, 19:09:35
was like this  ;)

(https://i91.servimg.com/u/f91/17/48/93/82/img_2113.jpg)

(https://i91.servimg.com/u/f91/17/48/93/82/img_2112.jpg)

 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on October 22, 2018, 23:19:00
Quietly 300 kms (quietly honed) , nice on road ( not too much turns for instance ride in Camargue), a little bit more noisy as TKC (normal, more knobby) , as said less vibration then TKC (good point  VCIF_ThumbUp ) excellent on gravel ( but not faster then 55km/h -riding with Michelle) ; and perfect in mud (not a long part done ... Try to have a small trip before weather season and some off road session scheduled with Exvara/Jacques  VCIF_ThumbUp
VCIF_ThumbUp VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on October 26, 2018, 17:09:57
You know lately I bought a 2nd mistress and old love of mine from Yamaha, a Fazer 8 to do everyday riding, it is better to me on highways.

So it led me to compare handling capabilities and while the position and ergos are of course totally different, I feel on the Yamaha I am in total control, meaning I can also do crap.
On the Honda, I feel more ease it's less physically engaging, but I also feel a kind of "autopilot" factor, where it takes the lines without me working and sometimes I would rather place the motorcycle myself in turns.

Not sure this is relatable to any of you, but is this a tire brand feel, because I've only used continental on the Honda and the Yamaha always Dunlops. Or is this just the 21 to 17 inch front feel !?

I'm contemplating eventually changing to 19rims, so this interests me !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on October 30, 2018, 22:12:30
So.... the consensus for highway and "gravel" roads is Conti TKC70 or TA's ??
What seems best for the twisties and longevity??
Not looking for 50/50

P.S.  yes, Jasper is still here (Vara) ...and also riding Ruby Red  (AT)  ;)
I ride the twisties at speed with my TKC70's. They hold on good.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 30, 2018, 23:15:49
I ride the twisties at speed with my TKC70's. They hold on good.

No problem on twisties, but on mud IMO...  VCIF_a_008
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on October 31, 2018, 05:16:28
I ride the twisties at speed with my TKC70's. They hold on good.

No problem on twisties, but on mud IMO...  VCIF_a_008
TKC70's are not good in sand or mud in my view, but for tarmac and gravel they do more than OK. I was just answering the question that I have no problems with the TKC70's in the twisties on tarmac.
Title: Re: AT Tires (a new Bridgestone 50/50)
Post by: zebulon on October 31, 2018, 16:41:44
A new tire to test for those who search a 50/50 tire; manufactured by Bridgestone , named Battlax Adventurecross AX41

something like this:

(https://pictures.attention-ngn.com/portal/152/93544/products/1547114738.215_115_o.jpg)

information sheet is here (https://edp-e-ne-p-bridgestone.azureedge.net/-/media/Files/Bridgestone/MC/Downloads/Brochures/battlax_adventurecross_AX41.ashx?la=fr-fr&vs=1&d=20181002T141659Z)

and a small promotion film (on GS  ::) )

https://youtu.be/16_kaCdHuOw
Title: Re: AT Tires (a new Bridgestone 50/50)
Post by: Jyrays on November 02, 2018, 12:17:29
A new tire to test for those who search a 50/50 tire; manufactured by Bridgestone , named Battlax Adventurecross AX41

something like this:

(https://scontent-frt3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/eb3209e13e062e493aad9b6066100ae4/5C7DCC2E/t51.2885-15/e35/42627475_564445274002275_6079933585148776151_n.jpg)

information sheet is here (https://edp-e-ne-p-bridgestone.azureedge.net/-/media/Files/Bridgestone/MC/Downloads/Brochures/battlax_adventurecross_AX41.ashx?la=fr-fr&vs=1&d=20181002T141659Z)

and a small promotion film (on GS  ::) )

https://youtu.be/16_kaCdHuOw

BeeMuu tire :)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on November 05, 2018, 18:04:13
You know lately I bought a 2nd mistress and old love of mine from Yamaha, a Fazer 8 to do everyday riding, it is better to me on highways.

So it led me to compare handling capabilities and while the position and ergos are of course totally different, I feel on the Yamaha I am in total control, meaning I can also do crap.
On the Honda, I feel more ease it's less physically engaging, but I also feel a kind of "autopilot" factor, where it takes the lines without me working and sometimes I would rather place the motorcycle myself in turns.

Not sure this is relatable to any of you, but is this a tire brand feel, because I've only used continental on the Honda and the Yamaha always Dunlops. Or is this just the 21 to 17 inch front feel !?

I'm contemplating eventually changing to 19rims, so this interests me !

Do not know you've changed the bike... 8) sure a lot of elements, geometry of the frame, size of the wheels, manufacturer of the tires; an AT can be very different with different tires; so comparing different bike is much difficult; but it's why there is a choice of different models  ;D
took recently a Crossrunner during the AT's revision; and very difficult for me with 17" front wheel; and it was difficult to retrieve the 21" on the first turns ...
So yes each element have its matter , (IMO). And you've to choose which are the best for you  ...
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on November 05, 2018, 18:09:49
Have put some more kils on my anakee (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1831.msg21791;topicseen#new) wild this WE. Tried twisties roads, and (for instance) not so confident as with TKC70; not so precise in driving turns.
In off road condition obviously perfect; we've ride rocks (not so hard), tracks with a lot of dead leaves and melting snow; I was every time in confidence, bike stay (quietly  ;D ) every time where I want she was; and fabulous traction every time  ...  VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Bruvex on November 05, 2018, 22:17:14
Somebody has experience with these?

Metzeler Karoo Street

https://www.metzeler.com/en-ww/products/tyres/karoo-street#gallery-0 (https://www.metzeler.com/en-ww/products/tyres/karoo-street#gallery-0)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: MrKiwi on November 06, 2018, 03:59:08
Somebody has experience with these?

Metzeler Karoo Street

https://www.metzeler.com/en-ww/products/tyres/karoo-street#gallery-0 (https://www.metzeler.com/en-ww/products/tyres/karoo-street#gallery-0)
They look interesting. Might try this on my AT next time I replace tires.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on November 06, 2018, 12:06:33
Waiting for your report friends ! Love the Tourance on my Varaderos till they become "next" , from that date I hate them (I felt like I was falling in each turn ) and change to Bridgestone .
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on November 06, 2018, 13:16:10
Metzeler Karoo street profile

(https://d1ykpo4jhzi0cx.cloudfront.net/images/1527582590634/karoo_street_main.png)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on November 07, 2018, 08:25:21
You know lately I bought a 2nd mistress and old love of mine from Yamaha, a Fazer 8 to do everyday riding, it is better to me on highways.

So it led me to compare handling capabilities and while the position and ergos are of course totally different, I feel on the Yamaha I am in total control, meaning I can also do crap.
On the Honda, I feel more ease it's less physically engaging, but I also feel a kind of "autopilot" factor, where it takes the lines without me working and sometimes I would rather place the motorcycle myself in turns.

Not sure this is relatable to any of you, but is this a tire brand feel, because I've only used continental on the Honda and the Yamaha always Dunlops. Or is this just the 21 to 17 inch front feel !?

I'm contemplating eventually changing to 19rims, so this interests me !

Do not know you've changed the bike... 8) sure a lot of elements, geometry of the frame, size of the wheels, manufacturer of the tires; an AT can be very different with different tires; so comparing different bike is much difficult; but it's why there is a choice of different models  ;D
took recently a Crossrunner during the AT's revision; and very difficult for me with 17" front wheel; and it was difficult to retrieve the 21" on the first turns ...
So yes each element have its matter , (IMO). And you've to choose which are the best for you  ...
 VCIF_salut

Thanks Zebulon, I think on my next tires change I'll try the Pirelli Scorpions, see if it gives me the sportier feeling I'd like on paved roads.

I understand what you're explaining, but the theoretical notion that 21" is better for obstacles and gyroscopic force makes it more stable,
as well as more difficult to turn, I really feel the opposite, my 17" Yamaha is definitely harder on the arms and doesn't lean as naturally
as the AT, that's why I'm a bit puzzled !
Like all the bike testers saying AT is supreme on dirt but last on pavement, well, last year only 2 people could hold my rear wheel in twisties,
a guy with a KTM 1290 and another with a Multistrada 1200, so I love this bike, that said this "autopilot" feel is weird at times.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: superfunkomatic on November 10, 2018, 03:09:41

That's good news. Guess we'll have to wait until spring for more distance on your tires.
Put my bike away last weekend, too. 9,000 kilometres and still lots of tread left on the Michelin Anakee Wild. A bit of feathering on the outsides of some of the knobs but it still rides smooth on the road and works just fine in gravel and dirt.

Have put some more kils on my anakee (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1831.msg21791;topicseen#new) wild this WE. Tried twisties roads, and (for instance) not so confident as with TKC70; not so precise in driving turns.
In off road condition obviously perfect; we've ride rocks (not so hard), tracks with a lot of dead leaves and melting snow; I was every time in confidence, bike stay (quietly  ;D ) every time where I want she was; and fabulous traction every time  ...  VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on February 25, 2019, 10:57:31
Just came upon this interesting test, seems less of a motorcycle journal typical tester and sounds these Karoo street might be the best compromise indeed !
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/motorcycle-tyres/tested-metzeler-karoo-street-adventure-tyre-review

Also interesting to know Metzeler and Pirelli are the same company, so I might skip the Scorpion trail 2 and try these Karoo next !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on February 25, 2019, 12:49:30
How fast they wear out?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on February 25, 2019, 13:37:06
How fast they wear out?

Didn't order yet so can't say, but after all my Continental tires doing good mileage but running square, these should be better as they
are said to be similare rubber to Pirelli ST2, that would make sense as it's actually joint companies.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Bruvex on February 25, 2019, 20:57:00
Somebody has experience with these?

Metzeler Karoo Street

https://www.metzeler.com/en-ww/products/tyres/karoo-street#gallery-0 (https://www.metzeler.com/en-ww/products/tyres/karoo-street#gallery-0)

I've got them for about 2k klms now and I must say I'm impressed.
They handle road conditions (dry, wet, snow) as good or better than the tkc70 I've had before.

The noise they produce is louder than the tkc's but for these type of tires it's more than ok for me.

I haven't been off-road for the moment so I can't comment on it.

Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on February 26, 2019, 13:22:35
Somebody has experience with these?

Metzeler Karoo Street

https://www.metzeler.com/en-ww/products/tyres/karoo-street#gallery-0 (https://www.metzeler.com/en-ww/products/tyres/karoo-street#gallery-0)

I've got them for about 2k klms now and I must say I'm impressed.
They handle road conditions (dry, wet, snow) as good or better than the tkc70 I've had before.

The noise they produce is louder than the tkc's but for these type of tires it's more than ok for me.

I haven't been off-road for the moment so I can't comment on it.
VCIF_ThumbUp

So I have to choose between them, Anakee Wild and TCK80...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on February 26, 2019, 16:00:52
Landed on this tire today while looking for winter stuff, maybe Norwegians and Finns know about it.

http://www.anlas-tyres.co.uk/winter-grip-plus-tested-on-africa-twin-sport/
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on February 26, 2019, 19:05:12
Landed on this tire today while looking for winter stuff, maybe Norwegians and Finns know about it.

http://www.anlas-tyres.co.uk/winter-grip-plus-tested-on-africa-twin-sport/

beginning of a discution here (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1248.msg18020#msg18020) but not too much answer for instance ...  :-X
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on February 26, 2019, 19:15:54
Landed on this tire today while looking for winter stuff, maybe Norwegians and Finns know about it.

http://www.anlas-tyres.co.uk/winter-grip-plus-tested-on-africa-twin-sport/
Turkish tire, no idea about it yet...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: superfunkomatic on March 03, 2019, 02:37:11
Here's a video of an owner of a motorcycle shop in Eastern Canada (Quebec) taking the winter tires for a ride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRLOPw4H_5o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRLOPw4H_5o)


Not for snow necessarily but for cold weather conditions approaching zero degrees Celsius.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on March 03, 2019, 08:35:50
Winter tires with slats and soft rubber have been proven for a long time in the mountains and snow-covered countries, on (under  ;D ) the cars ... Why not whith bikes?

I thought, people in Quebec speak in (something like) French  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on March 03, 2019, 12:39:12
I know only one tire wit M+S approval here in Europe and it is Heidenau Scout 60 but I wouldn't like to ride it even in wet asphalt...

I have been long away from Finland but as I remember on snow and ice only solution is knobby tires, hopefully with spikes.

https://youtu.be/TYQEpAXUtaI?t=603 (https://youtu.be/TYQEpAXUtaI?t=603)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on March 03, 2019, 14:55:00
Mitas e07 and TKC 70 are m+s  8)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on March 03, 2019, 15:01:43
Mitas e07 and TKC 70 are m+s  8)
VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: AT Tires (a new Bridgestone 50/50)
Post by: zebulon on May 23, 2019, 16:47:56
A new tire to test for those who search a 50/50 tire; manufactured by Bridgestone , named Battlax Adventurecross AX41

is there some body who have given a chance to this one ???
Title: Re: AT Tires (a new Bridgestone 50/50)
Post by: Jyrays on May 24, 2019, 15:14:01
A new tire to test for those who search a 50/50 tire; manufactured by Bridgestone , named Battlax Adventurecross AX41

is there some body who have given a chance to this one ???
Web

(https://www.bridgestone.com/products/motorcycle_tires/products/assets/img/detail/pr154-detail_01.png)

https://www.bridgestone.com/products/motorcycle_tires/products/detail/pr154/
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on May 24, 2019, 15:23:12
Have put some more kils on my anakee (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1831.msg21791;topicseen#new) wild this WE. Tried twisties roads, and (for instance) not so confident as with TKC70; not so precise in driving turns.
In off road condition obviously perfect; we've ride rocks (not so hard), tracks with a lot of dead leaves and melting snow; I was every time in confidence, bike stay (quietly  ;D ) every time where I want she was; and fabulous traction every time  ...  VCIF_ThumbUp
Update? Would you buy them again?
Title: Re: AT Tires (a new Bridgestone 50/50)
Post by: zebulon on May 24, 2019, 18:01:41
A new tire to test for those who search a 50/50 tire; manufactured by Bridgestone , named Battlax Adventurecross AX41

is there some body who have given a chance to this one ???
Web

I mean, user/member report  VCIF_ok
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on May 24, 2019, 18:08:02
Have put some more kils on my anakee (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1831.msg21791;topicseen#new) wild this WE. Tried twisties roads, and (for instance) not so confident as with TKC70; not so precise in driving turns.
In off road condition obviously perfect; we've ride rocks (not so hard), tracks with a lot of dead leaves and melting snow; I was every time in confidence, bike stay (quietly  ;D ) every time where I want she was; and fabulous traction every time  ...  VCIF_ThumbUp
Update? Would you buy them again?

We've done 4 days/1000kms little trip in Maures massif and cost last week, with a lot of (small) passes; and I can say I'm very confident on dry /Tarmac conditions with this tire  VCIF_ThumbUp think you can ride very fast with it if you want, and put the panniers on the road  ;D
I surely give a chance a new tire (front) which will be revealed on next July; in other case, yes Anakee Wild is a great tire for what I want to do with the bike  VCIF_ThumbUp  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on May 24, 2019, 23:21:23
Have put some more kils on my anakee (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1831.msg21791;topicseen#new) wild this WE. Tried twisties roads, and (for instance) not so confident as with TKC70; not so precise in driving turns.
In off road condition obviously perfect; we've ride rocks (not so hard), tracks with a lot of dead leaves and melting snow; I was every time in confidence, bike stay (quietly  ;D ) every time where I want she was; and fabulous traction every time  ...  VCIF_ThumbUp
Update? Would you buy them again?

We've done 4 days/1000kms little trip in Maures massif and cost last week, with a lot of (small) passes; and I can say I'm very confident on dry /Tarmac conditions with this tire  VCIF_ThumbUp think you can ride very fast with it if you want, and put the panniers on the road  ;D
I surely give a chance a new tire (front) which will be revealed on next July; in other case, yes Anakee Wild is a great tire for what I want to do with the bike  VCIF_ThumbUp  VCIF_salut

How many km you have now in total? Rear is E07+?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on May 25, 2019, 17:16:08
How many km you have now in total? Rear is E07+?

39 400 on the bike, 5200 on rear tire (Mitas E07+ dakar), just change it yesterday for our VIM/balkans trip by a Mitas E07+; 2100 on the front Anakee  ;)  VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: varonda on July 29, 2019, 17:12:16
Any body tried the new Trail Attack 3 yet ? I've been happy with the TA 2s but before replacement i thought i'd ask if any one had experienced the new ones , or is it a bit too soon for feed back on these ?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: superfunkomatic on July 29, 2019, 19:42:39
Just got back from a 15,000 kilometre trek across Canada. The Mitas E07 Dakar tires really are excellent. They did everything well. The front tire is pretty much worn out, although it could be used as a road only tire. The rear still has a few thousand kilometres left in it, which is absolutely amazing.
 
I rode on pavement, gravel and muck (Trans Labrador Highway in the pouring rain) - basically all conditions and they never had an issue at all. I think the Michelin Anakee Wild is better for grip off road but only slightly and certainly doesn't last as long.


15,500 km in total for the front and still going on the rear tire...
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on August 15, 2019, 17:13:26
What are your pressures choices ?

Front  Rear Solo
2.2      2.5

Front Rear Duo
2.2    2.8/3.00

Front  Rear   off-road (solo)
1.8     2.00
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on August 19, 2019, 09:01:52
After my Yamaha front was toasted, but rear still good my mechanic put a Bridgestone T31 and I was blown away by the lightness and precision of the steering.

So I changed my mind trying the Karoo street and will change to the Bridgestone A41, apparently both T31 and A41 were designed by the same team and same tech, so I expect really good street riding.

BTW my now really square rear and frighteningly unevenly worn front TA2, managed about 16'000 Km on them, but my mechanic made a face seeing the weird tearing and really uneven wear on the front...

I use stock pressures, tried also 2.2 on the front, but with proper road suspension adjustment, 2.0 is fine !
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on September 12, 2019, 16:31:00
I have been riding a full week with the Bridgestone A41 and really they are great, much more stable on braking can't say if shorter brake distance though.
I'm already at the end side of the tires on both sides, without even trying hard, so it's testament to these tires ability to give you confidence while leaning, on the TA2s a 1cm strip was left that I could never attack. Still never felt the tire letting go anytime, I rode under wet roads and nothing special to report, it hasn't rained enough to really know.
I wouldn't say they are a lot better than my TA2s, but definitely less efforts to lean while still not leaning too fast, I find them to be just right.

But on the first days I would feel my tires slide on sewer plaques, which disappointed me until I checked the tires pressure and honestly I don't know what happened at my dealership... front was at 2.5 bar and rear was at 2.7bar, for solo road riding so WTF !!!?
Put it down to 2.1/2.5 and no more sliding, I'm just wondering now, if I'll scare myself scrapping the pegs  har_scratch.
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on September 12, 2019, 16:46:04

(https://i.postimg.cc/ThVPFxnJ/IMG-20190911-WA0005.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ThVPFxnJ)
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: varonda on October 15, 2019, 16:49:08
Feel as though I've made a big mistake in fitting the Trail Attack 3s , for me they aren't a patch on the Trail Attack2 s the bikes agility has gone and on certain damp road surfaces it slides about like a slidey thing which the TA2s never did ,a 4 day trip in the Scottish Borders put the tyres through most conditions apart from ice and snow, it's as though I've put wooden cart wheels on -- I'm running on Honda pressures at present but I'm planning to experiment with the pressures to try and get some improvement , either that or a trip to my suppliers and get some TA2 s put back on . Not a happy bunny  :'(
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Jyrays on October 15, 2019, 21:36:00
TCK80 are great, but just 3k km on. I will tell later how long they last.

MITAS E07+ is a disappointment on gravel and durability. I had them now for 7.5K km and they are about to finish... on gravel they are not GOOD!
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 25, 2019, 11:25:28
Surely TKC80 is better on gravel and off road as it is a 30/70 tire, instead of E07+ which is 50/50. changed our E07+ after 5200kms before our 8000kms VIM's trip; and put it back before our last Italian trip (after 11000) and it was not so bad, fulfilling its role very well, on Polish and Baltic roads / tracks under every weather. For my poor level, I love the E07+; nice traction in all conditions of terrains but not so wet, and I do  not yet ride sand... So a nice choice for me, and returns about TKC80 on wet tarmac are horrible ... so think I keep this mount in the future (with Anakee wild front ).
 VCIF_salut
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on October 28, 2019, 10:09:21
Anyone tried some continental TA3, I have heard strange reports that they would not be as good as the TA2 were !?
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: zebulon on October 28, 2019, 11:41:01
Anyone tried some continental TA3, I have heard strange reports that they would not be as good as the TA2 were !?

Feel as though I've made a big mistake in fitting the Trail Attack 3s , for me they aren't a patch on the Trail Attack2 s the bikes agility has gone and on certain damp road surfaces it slides about like a slidey thing which the TA2s never did ,a 4 day trip in the Scottish Borders put the tyres through most conditions apart from ice and snow, it's as though I've put wooden cart wheels on -- I'm running on Honda pressures at present but I'm planning to experiment with the pressures to try and get some improvement , either that or a trip to my suppliers and get some TA2 s put back on . Not a happy bunny  :'(

 VCIF_a_008
Title: Re: AT Tires
Post by: Djairouks on October 31, 2019, 09:50:13
Anyone tried some continental TA3, I have heard strange reports that they would not be as good as the TA2 were !?

Feel as though I've made a big mistake in fitting the Trail Attack 3s , for me they aren't a patch on the Trail Attack2 s the bikes agility has gone and on certain damp road surfaces it slides about like a slidey thing which the TA2s never did ,a 4 day trip in the Scottish Borders put the tyres through most conditions apart from ice and snow, it's as though I've put wooden cart wheels on -- I'm running on Honda pressures at present but I'm planning to experiment with the pressures to try and get some improvement , either that or a trip to my suppliers and get some TA2 s put back on . Not a happy bunny  :'(

 VCIF_a_008

Woops, then it confirms what I heard that's unfortunate I wanted to mount these as the stock Metz on my Tiger, are almost as shitty as the Dunlop were on the AT in the wet, I really don't understand manufacturers manufacturing such shit rain behavior.
Guess I'll go back to my best ever tyres and coincidently the cheapest for my mount now, good old TKC70 !