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Title: The way to Geiranger
Post by: eightyfive on September 16, 2013, 01:26:37: Dear friends
I'm studying the possibility of participating in VIM16, but do not know the northern europe.
So I ask for your help. Did I can give an idea of the best route from Portugal to Norway?
I always go by road? or I have to get some ferry?
And can you give me an idea of prices ferryes, gasoline, tolls. Just to make a budget ...

thank you
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on September 16, 2013, 02:51:15: Hi, Eightyfive.

Thank you for your interest in VIM16.
I visited Portugal with my Varadero last year.
Do you usually drive motorways, or do you prefer smaller roads?

When you come to northern Germany, you have to decide ferry or road.
I prefer to use a ferry between Germany and Norway, or between Denmark and Norway.
Otherwise you have to cross two quite expensive bridges, one in Denmark and another between Denmark and Sweden.
The cheapest ferries sails between Frederikshavn and Oslo (http://www.stenaline.nl/en/ferry (http://www.stenaline.nl/en/ferry)) or between Hirtshals and Larvik (www.colorline.com (http://www.colorline.com))
Gasoline is almost the same in all countries, but Denmark is cheaper than Norway and Germany.
In Norway motorbikes don't pay road tolls and there are no road toll in Germany, Denmark or Sweden.

Good luck with your planning.
Erik
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on September 16, 2013, 09:54:19: Set GPS satnav 'ON'
Set desination to 'Geiranger, Norway'
Set route preferences to 'AVOID MOTORWAYS' (Garmin)
Or
Set route preferences to 'Choose most curvy route' (TomTom)

Enjoy and be supriced! ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on September 16, 2013, 10:41:24: I've crossed to the Scandinavian peninsula via:
-Hirtshals-Kristiansand ferry (which I recommend)
-Puttgarden-Rodbyhavn plus Helsingor-Helsingborg ferries (which I recommend too)
-Kobenhavn-Malmo bridge (which I don't recommend, because it is very expensive and makes you drive for a number of extra and boring km)

Whichever route you take, from Portugal to Denmark it must be some three days... So, perhaps it would be wise to take a ferry from Kiel to Oslo and save your poor bottom a few hundred km...

If you want any comment about the actual route from Portugal to Denmark or Kiel, I'd be happy to share what I've learnt from experience.

Good luck,

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: eightyfive on September 18, 2013, 01:18:20: hi guys
Thank you for your tips, now is a great help.
needing to ask for more help.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Athanman on September 18, 2013, 19:32:25: In deed very useful and interesting infos.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Mikeadero on October 01, 2013, 22:35:21: Hi,

I'm busy planning the route to VIM16.

I'll be arriving through Kristiansand. Starting from Kristiandsand in the morning.
What route would you recommend from Kristiandsand to Geiranger (2 days)?

Mike
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on October 02, 2013, 00:00:00: Quote from: Mikeadero on October 01, 2013, 22:35:21
Hi,

I'm busy planning the route to VIM16.

I'll be arriving through Kristiansand. Starting from Kristiandsand in the morning.
What route would you recommend from Kristiandsand to Geiranger (2 days)?

Mike

Head west to Stavanger and from Flekkefjord, follow Rd 44 west. At Sandnes, turn north on Route nr. 13 and follow it the whole way up north. It is one of the most diverse and stunning routes I have riden in Norway.

The visitors centre near Lysefjord is a place which offers an excellent (and for Norwegian standards) affordable buffet restaurant; its on your right handside overlooking the 'Golden Gate' bridge to Forsand; just near the ferry port.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on October 02, 2013, 10:48:45: Quote from: Two Plugs on October 02, 2013, 00:00:00
Quote from: Mikeadero on October 01, 2013, 22:35:21
Hi,

I'm busy planning the route to VIM16.

I'll be arriving through Kristiansand. Starting from Kristiandsand in the morning.
What route would you recommend from Kristiandsand to Geiranger (2 days)?

Mike

Head west to Stavanger and from Flekkefjord, follow Rd 44 west. At Sandnes, turn north on Route nr. 13 and follow it the whole way up north. It is one of the most diverse and stunning routes I have riden in Norway.

The visitors centre near Lysefjord is a place which offers an excellent (and for Norwegian standards) affordable buffet restaurant; its on your right handside overlooking the 'Golden Gate' bridge to Forsand; just near the ferry port.

Thanks Lord the W road from Kristiansand has now some overtaking third lanes here and there! I remember riding my Vara there (in 2004) being like a part of a caterpillar at some steady 60 km/h ;)
I believe June must be different from July (my three times in Norway were in July), but anyway I believe one can have faster paces in some B roads than in those main roads near populated areas (f.e. Bergen-Voss).

If you have time, road 13 goes near the famous Preikestolen (some 2h walk up plus 2h walk down).

IMO, 99% roads in Norway are either beautiful or stunning. Michelin 1:1000000 map is OK to choose the main, and nicer, routes. But I too use one Freitag&Berndt 1:250000 for a comprehensive view of all roads: going from A to B through a Norwegian "too little to be in main maps" road is priceless IMO. :)

Have a nice trip,

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on October 02, 2013, 11:18:10: Quote from: JosepM on October 02, 2013, 10:48:45

If you have time, road 13 goes near the famous Preikestolen (some 2h walk up plus 2h walk down).

;D

That's exactly what I had in mind Josep! I will probably attend this VIM together with my daughter (she'll be riding on her brandnew NC700!) and spend some days in Norway before reaching Geiranger. Planned a visit at the Preikestulencamping ( http://www.preikestolencamping.com/ (http://www.preikestolencamping.com/) ) which lies next to the trail to Preikestulen.
I will work out a nice route to Geiranger using all the information posted in this topic. Really looking forward to this trip!

Regards,
Jos
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on October 02, 2013, 13:14:56: Quote from: Madero on October 02, 2013, 11:18:10

;D

That's exactly what I had in mind Josep! I will probably attend this VIM together with my daughter (she'll be riding on her brandnew NC700!) and spend some days in Norway before reaching Geiranger. Planned a visit at the Preikestulencamping ( http://www.preikestolencamping.com/ (http://www.preikestolencamping.com/) ) which lies next to the trail to Preikestulen.
I will work out a nice route to Geiranger using all the information posted in this topic. Really looking forward to this trip!

Regards,
Jos

Jos, congratulations for such a brave and "fatherloving" daughter! ;) I am sure she must be beautiful as well 8)

The camping is not exactly at the

When I come back to Norway ::) , I'll do my best to include in my route as many fjell areas as possible. Last July I went through Strynfjell route, plus 51 plus another unpaved one; that add to others I followed in the past.
Great landscapes and great views. Nicer tan fjords IMO. On the other hand, being Dutch, you must sure have looked for high roads ;) (I mean to say that Dutch, and Danish, tourists are often found in the higher areas of Europe)

Regards,

Josep M.

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on October 02, 2013, 13:52:27: I agree with Preikestolen, this is (if you are in the right fysical condition that is... ;D ) a real must-do-hike there.

You can also decide to do Rd 13 on your way back from Geiranger, and something really spectacular is taking the ferry to Lyseboth (from Forsand). From Lyseboth, the road goes up an apr 600 m granite wall with spectacular hairpins. On the top there is an visitor centre, parked as an 'UFO' overseeing the Lysefjord.

From here, you can do one of the most spectacular hikes imaginable: To the famous Kjeragbolten:

(http://www.arts-stew.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kjeragbolten-boulder-located-in-the-Kjerag-mountain-in-Rogaland-Norway.-3.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on October 02, 2013, 18:42:20: :)

Well, as a former mountaineer/hiker/seakayakker there will be more than enough attractive activities for me in Norway! No doubts about that!

But you won't find me standing on that Kjeragbolten unsecured however!
OMG!
:o

Thanx for the replies guys!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on October 02, 2013, 21:54:04: Don't tell me that you've got fair of heights, Jos (cause I do... ;) )
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on October 03, 2013, 20:23:46: I am studying to ways to come to VIM. One from south, and another one from East (http://I am studying) ;D
Hope we see you there ...
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Athanman on October 03, 2013, 22:39:16: Quote from: Two Plugs on October 02, 2013, 13:52:27
I agree with Preikestolen, this is (if you are in the right fysical condition that is... ;D ) a real must-do-hike there.

You can also decide to do Rd 13 on your way back from Geiranger, and something really spectacular is taking the ferry to Lyseboth (from Forsand). From Lyseboth, the road goes up an apr 600 m granite wall with spectacular hairpins. On the top there is an visitor centre, parked as an 'UFO' overseeing the Lysefjord.

From here, you can do one of the most spectacular hikes imaginable: To the famous Kjeragbolten:

(http://www.arts-stew.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kjeragbolten-boulder-located-in-the-Kjerag-mountain-in-Rogaland-Norway.-3.jpg)

OH MY GOD... what a photo!Bernard where is that?Bungee jumping at Vim 16 from that spot ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on October 03, 2013, 22:56:16: I am to affraid to look at it :-\
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on October 04, 2013, 13:20:20: Its the Kjeragsbolten, Manos. Near to the village of Lyseboth, at the Lysefjord. The road down to Lyseboth is also STUNNING:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/96200015001ce0b20c9c0ba6cb409458/tumblr_mizckjzIIb1rzchbro1_500.jpg)

You can only reach Lyseboth by ferry from Forsand or by this road!

The visitorcentre on top of that road and the start for the hike to the Kjeragsbolten:

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/172/418825343_713ffb5b17_z.jpg?zz=1)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on October 04, 2013, 14:41:28: Waoooooooo! Hope we do that ! ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on October 04, 2013, 19:28:22: Its simply to far from Geiranger for a day's trip, Giles. But it is manageable for all participants on either their way up to Geiranger, or the way down ;)

I would do it on the way down. Just follow Rd 13 south till Forsand, and from there, take the ferry to Lysboth. From Forsand you can do the hike to Preikestolen as well:

(http://www.vistanature.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/preikestolen-cliff1.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on October 04, 2013, 20:19:40: wonderful (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/75.gif) (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/74.gif)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: V Saarela on October 06, 2013, 07:21:56: You can´t see the climbing road when riding. The rocky road from the top is beautiful to.

Maybe I´m to lazy to climb or like the beer to much. Two attempts for a walk, but have instead at the campsite start to drink beer instead.
Third time I took the ferry from Lauvvika(northeast from Stavanger) to Lysebotn.

(http://www.saarela.se/aktuellt/aktuelltbild10/100722/100722-7b7.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Athanman on October 07, 2013, 16:04:28: Quote from: Two Plugs on October 04, 2013, 19:28:22
Its simply to far from Geiranger for a day's trip, Giles. But it is manageable for all participants on either their way up to Geiranger, or the way down ;)

I would do it on the way down. Just follow Rd 13 south till Forsand, and from there, take the ferry to Lysboth. From Forsand you can do the hike to Preikestolen as well:

(http://www.vistanature.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/preikestolen-cliff1.jpg)

2 weeks i assume are not enough for me to visit all these + our meeting. Thanks Bernard for the briefing . ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: mmasch on October 11, 2013, 01:58:02: Please be careful if you decide to visit "Prekestolen". Last tuesday (oct. 8. 2013) a man fell off and was killed :(
I have not heard anyone having an accident there before, but it's better to be safe than sorry...

Original article (in Norwegian): http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10135968 (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10135968)

Google translate version in English: http://translate.google.no/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fartikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10135968&act=url (http://translate.google.no/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fartikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10135968&act=url)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Athanman on October 11, 2013, 10:05:47: Quote from: mmasch on October 11, 2013, 01:58:02
Please be careful if you decide to visit "Prekestolen". Last tuesday (oct. 8. 2013) a man fell off and was killed :(
I have not heard anyone having an accident there before, but it's better to be safe than sorry...

Original article (in Norwegian): http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10135968 (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10135968)

Google translate version in English: http://translate.google.no/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fartikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10135968&act=url (http://translate.google.no/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fartikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10135968&act=url)

Too pity for him ,im so sad for hearing this . :(
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Bønne on October 11, 2013, 12:06:25: Well, read this too: http://www.aftenbladet.no/nyheter/lokalt/ryfylke/Preikestolen-dodsfall-kan-ha-vart-planlagt-3270085.html#.Ule9MFCnrY. (http://www.aftenbladet.no/nyheter/lokalt/ryfylke/Preikestolen-dodsfall-kan-ha-vart-planlagt-3270085.html#.Ule9MFCnrY.)
It seems that it might be suicide and if that is so, then there is no point in turning the world upside down.

But still, of cause, be carefull out there!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: mmasch on October 11, 2013, 18:52:07: Quote from: Bønne on October 11, 2013, 12:06:25
It seems that it might be suicide and if that is so, then there is no point in turning the world upside down.
But still, of cause, be carefull out there!

Thanks' Bønne. I was not aware of that.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on October 12, 2013, 18:15:40: Erik have soon answered this question by a " I prefer" but I'd like some other advices in the fact to take boat in Denmark (Hirtshals) to go to Norway or going to Copenhagen and take the boat to Helsingborg or the bridge to Malmo.
Thank you for advices ;) What's the "best way " ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on October 12, 2013, 18:33:58: Quote from: Two Plugs on October 02, 2013, 00:00:00

Head west to Stavanger and from Flekkefjord, follow Rd 44 west. At Sandnes, turn north on Route nr. 13 and follow it the whole way up north. It is one of the most diverse and stunning routes I have riden in Norway.

The visitors centre near Lysefjord is a place which offers an excellent (and for Norwegian standards) affordable buffet restaurant; its on your right handside overlooking the 'Golden Gate' bridge to Forsand; just near the ferry port.

Think I have something like this; I' m afraid of so much ferries and bridge ??? Am I true ???

(http://fotonet.fr/photo/201310/13815918451.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on October 12, 2013, 20:01:47: One route is also Kiel-Oslo but you need to be 4 persons in one cabin to keep down the cost.
Lowest price is how you will spend the nights during your route and how much you travelling each day.

In Norway you can choose route whatever. Your eyes will see a new postcard every 20 second even if you are following the coast or go the straight way directly north.

Don't miss Lysebotn
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on October 12, 2013, 20:40:47: Quote from: Skye on October 12, 2013, 20:01:47
One route is also Kiel-Oslo but you need to be 4 persons in one cabin to keep down the cost.
Lowest price is how you will spend the nights during your route and how much you travelling each day.

In Norway you can choose route whatever. Your eyes will see a new postcard every 20 second even if you are following the coast or go the straight way directly north.

Don't miss Lysebotn

Thank you Magnus ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on October 12, 2013, 21:31:44: Hey folks,

I'm interested in all these proposals to find the way to Geiranger.

But, are there only solo bikers on the road up to Norway or (smaller) joint groups.

In my opinion it makes sense to ride in smaller groups (2 up to 6 ?? motorcycles).

What do you think about?

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on October 12, 2013, 22:14:10: I guess that you will see alot of Varaderos and transalps in Norway in gasstations or taking a break elsewhere during this period.
Don't hesitate to take contact if you want to ride within regardless if the plate is Swedish or Norwegian. They all will have same destination since it so early in the season.

I hope you all will choose another route for your travel back. It is the best way to get mostly covered. Some will head up north for the Nordkapp entry. Guess during the meeting you all will have great discussion about which route to take riding back and we scandinavians can give you so much info as possible.

Only suggestion I can give.

Avoid E6 between Oslo and Geiranger. The smaller roads travelling faster and are more fun to drive. Even if you are in a hurry you will go in a maximum of 60 km/h since its one lane barriers with small opportunities to overtake all those trucks, caravans and mobilehomes.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on October 12, 2013, 22:28:25: @ Skye,

my router suggests the E16 after Sandvika. Is this road as well over"crowded" as the E6?

Tks Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on October 12, 2013, 23:10:03: It is an absolutely wonderful road to drive. E16 from Sandvika to Fagernes. There you will have an option to go via road 51 to Lom or continue E16 to Leirdal, Road 5 to Sogn and there take road 55 to Lom. Both this roads with 50's will take you over the summits and can be closed due to weather conditions. 90% they are are open but you never know. It is the same with the alps. Usually open 1st of June.

A good idea is to check the weather online via www.yr.no (http://www.yr.no) It will reveal conditions around 6th of June 10 days ahead

Suggest you all to see Kjetils presentation movie all about it. It is stuffed with information. https://vimeo.com/66704165 (https://vimeo.com/66704165)

Also have some tips shared at my blog. Use google translate to get an idea what the hell I'm writing about.
http://varadero.skye.se/norska-alperna-2012/ (http://varadero.skye.se/norska-alperna-2012/)
http://varadero.skye.se/norge-2013/ (http://varadero.skye.se/norge-2013/)

In the latest report there is a lot of movies but also give you information what to expect. But believe me, you have to see this with your own eyes. Roads that seems small are easy to travel through. Gravel are availble but not shown in routeplanners.

I have driven the Pyreenes but never into the Alps so I can't give an comparison. Pyreenes are 1000 meters more to climb but.. Drive on those roads are autostrada compared to Norway.

Avoid Road 7. It is also a commuting road for trucks going between the 2 largest citys in Norway. Oslo and Bergen.

(If you like skiing, 45 km south of Geiranger you have Strynefjellets sommerskicenter. Road open end of may and snow disappear mid July. http://www.stryn.no/sommerski/forside.aspx (http://www.stryn.no/sommerski/forside.aspx) )

(http://www.stryn.no/Files/Billeder/Sommerski/Overview/Strynefjellet_5100px.jpg)

You will see asphaltroads with snow 3 meters on each side driving in a tube..
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on October 13, 2013, 16:12:59: Thank you Skye for the professional information.

If R5 and/or R55 will be closed due to weather conditions you have to go a long way round. Not knowing your norwegian net of refueling points, is it allowed to take with a jerry can? If yes, which size and approval?

Sorry about my silly questions.

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on October 13, 2013, 18:36:41: Jerrycans are allowed but you don't need it. Above the arctic circle it can be a little longer between the fuelstations and they often tell you how long it is to the next.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: mmasch on October 14, 2013, 18:00:49: Hi zebulon.
If you keep to the main road (E39) almost the whole distance, I count 3 ferrys between Kristiansand and Geiranger.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on October 14, 2013, 18:39:06: Quote from: mmasch on October 14, 2013, 18:00:49
Hi zebulon.
If you keep to the main road (E39) almost the whole distance, I count 3 ferrys between Kristiansand and Geiranger.

Thank you, I have a look; is it easy to take ferries? a lot of rotations; not too expensive ?
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on October 14, 2013, 20:35:15: Quote from: zebulon on October 14, 2013, 18:39:06
Quote from: mmasch on October 14, 2013, 18:00:49
Hi zebulon.
If you keep to the main road (E39) almost the whole distance, I count 3 ferrys between Kristiansand and Geiranger.

Thank you, I have a look; is it easy to take ferries? a lot of rotations; not too expensive ?

Out from my experience: you get there, wait, and get on. As these are short trips, you must not wait for long, specially in main roads, where more than one boat is on service.

I *believe* ferries are not cheap, but there's nothing cheap in Norway. Making a mental exchange rate of 10-15 NOK = 1 EUR helped me to make things *look* more affordable :)

Conseil: pense pas a l'argent! Just, as Magnus says, enjoy the postcard you find every km. I must warn you, however, that even lovely green landscapes can become repetitive and boring, so while you travel in Norway, you'd better think of something ugly you've got at home (I know it's hard to find ugliness in the Herault, though!)

Regards,

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on October 14, 2013, 20:57:15: Ferries are about 50 Nok = 6€. Departs within 30 minutes and pass will take about 15 minutes in average. Highly populated mainroads ferries departs more freqently.

Motorcycles don't need to pay in tollroads. Only exception is Dalsnibba cause it is a private own road and they really making the road better and better each year. Entry 12€
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on October 14, 2013, 20:57:36: Thanks for that Josep ! unfortunately some personal issues regarding this; force me to think about money ... :-[

;)

Thx Magnus ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: V Saarela on October 15, 2013, 05:59:05: There are tollroads for motorcycles to....

For people going from south to Geiranger:

Very nice ride, the Törtagrö road. Road goes via Laerdalstunnel and at Övre Årdal turns to the road. There was a time when I do the payment by putting money in a envelope :)
Good to know is.....nowadays you can´t do this road with only Money in your pocket, only Visa card.

(http://www.saarela.se/moped/touring/100722/100722-5b9.jpg)

Also, many years ago I rode the shortcut riksvei5 from Sogndal to Årdal and I remember it was veeery expencive. Maybe some Norwegian can tell if this road is still a payroad for motorcycles?

Otherwise, I think this two roads are the only tollroads up to Geiranger? North of Geiranger: they who will visit Atlanthavs vei and ride around Kristiansund have to do some tollroad....and of course at North Cape.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Mikeadero on October 15, 2013, 09:44:30: Hi,

According to various websites, the NordKapp tunnel is free of charge since 2012.

Mike
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on October 15, 2013, 13:33:08: Drove R 5 Frpm Årdal (R 53) to Leirdal this summer. No toll. However don't know the 53 to the 55. But that is also a road to Lom if don't want to go by ferry.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: V Saarela on October 16, 2013, 04:57:44: Quote from: Mikeadero on October 15, 2013, 09:44:30
Hi,

According to various websites, the NordKapp tunnel is free of charge since 2012.

Mike

I forgett that always and I also think it have bbeen mentioned it here before.....and it was you who did it :)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on October 26, 2013, 15:30:09: My way to VIM16

Acco and ferry done!

04.06. Karlsruhe - Handewitt 775 km 9 h acco
05.06. Handewitt - Hirtshals 363 km 4 h (06:00 departure from acco)
Hirtshals - Larvik 169 km 4 h ferry
Larvik - Honefoss 163 km 2 h acco
06.06. Honefoss - Geiranger 373 km 5 h

VCIM16

09.06. Geiranger - Honefoss 373 km 5 h acco
10.06. Honefoss - Sjuntorp 365 km 6 h acco
11.06. Sjuntorp - Staffanstorp 387 km 6 h acco
12.06. Staffanstorp - Handewitt 378 km 7 h acco
13.06. Handewitt - Karlsruhe 775 km 9 h at home

S.b. else from my area showing up?

Greetings from the south of Germany
Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: SB on October 27, 2013, 12:50:41: Quote from: meine dicke on October 26, 2013, 15:30:09

S.B. else from my area showing up?

I had a note from Texas (Stephan) on the German Forum asking if it was OK to turn up on an XL125 !

I told him that if he was prepared to ride all that way on a 125 he would be more than welcome.

SB
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on October 27, 2013, 14:39:38: Quote from: meine dicke on October 26, 2013, 15:30:09
My way to VIM16

Acco and ferry done!

04.06. Karlsruhe - Handewitt 775 km 9 h acco
05.06. Handewitt - Hirtshals 363 km 4 h (06:00 departure from acco)
Hirtshals - Larvik 169 km 4 h ferry
Larvik - Honefoss 163 km 2 h acco
06.06. Honefoss - Geiranger 373 km 5 h

VCIM16

09.06. Geiranger - Honefoss 373 km 5 h acco
10.06. Honefoss - Sjuntorp 365 km 6 h acco
11.06. Sjuntorp - Staffanstorp 387 km 6 h acco
12.06. Staffanstorp - Handewitt 378 km 7 h acco
13.06. Handewitt - Karlsruhe 775 km 9 h at home

S.b. else from my area showing up?

Greetings from the south of Germany
Rainer

There are some coincidences between your scheduled trip and ours last July. :)

One day we went from Frankfurt to near Aalborg, so that we needn't wake up too early the morning after :)

And also we spent one night in Honefoss. To get there we followed completely the road 51, a nice one (from between Lom and Vagamo heading South).
From Geiranger, you can go too via road 55 (in Lom to the SW) and I remember liking a few years ago the toll road that ends in Ovre-Ardal (I don't know if it's open in early June). Either case, you have time to visit some Stavkirke (as we did).

The following night after Honefoss we were in Jorlanda (a bit father S than you will go), and we had the time to visit a couple of museums in Oslo, and have a coffee with some local individual 8)

We also crossed the Malmo-Kobenhavn bridge. A quite expensive toll, and you can hardly see anything (at least by car ::) ). But then we went straight S to Rodbyhavn and Puttgarden, not back to Jutland.

Good trip,

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 01, 2013, 21:01:01: Hello, I 'd like the opinion from those who know….
I have some options for the way up to Gereinger

(http://cadrage.fr.free.fr/Fichiers/9/ApercuVIM16.jpg)

Which one is the best (on your opinion) from the 2 green ways (yellow options). 3 days from Kristiansand or 2 days from Stavanger if we take the boat to Stavanger … :o

;) Thx in advance.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on November 01, 2013, 23:25:48: It is à little up to you Zebulon what kind of driving you want, what you want to see. How much heavy traffic you want to avoid. There are a 26 km tunnel, a lot of ferries or mountain passes which ever route you choose you can't do it all.

I can do a route for you but it is a route suited for my needs. Not sure it suits you or your company...
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on November 02, 2013, 14:06:49: I have worked out a route to Geiranger too today. Since I've got plenty of time and want to enjoy my trip as much as possible, I've splitted up the route through Norway in three stages:

Ferry form Hirtshals to Kristiansand.

Kristiansand - Preikestulen Camping Preikestolvegen 97 4100 Jørpeland, Noorwegen = 242 Km.
Preikestulen Camping - Birkelund Camping Hovsvegen 50 N-3577 Hovet i Hallingdal = 377 Km.
Birkelund Camping - Camping Geiranger (over Dalsnibba) = 339 Km.

Stages are not very long, giving me plenty of oppertunity to make some photo's and enjoy Norway!

If the weather is nice I might stay some extra days at the campsites on my way to Geiranger i.e. to relax, visit Preikestulen or go kajakking/fishing. All in all it will take me about a week to reach Geiranger from my hometown.

I am convinced that, no matter what route I will take, I will enjoy the beautiful landscape anyway!

It is still november and I'm already having fun dreaming about this trip ;D

(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-UKHK4F3K.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on November 02, 2013, 20:09:30: Just to visualize as others have done. My way to Geiranger.

Greetings from the South of Germany

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on November 03, 2013, 15:29:09: (http://varadero.skye.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/route.K-G.jpg)

Here is a suggestion with roads suited for the Varadero and CT. It it editable for shorten it or extend the route.
Routelink (https://www.google.se/maps?saddr=Hirtshals,+DK+-+Kristiansand,+NO%2FKristiansand,+NO+-+Hirtshals,+DK%2FE39&daddr=58.3783304,6.1996848+to:58.7843484,5.6329799+to:58.8483879,5.8851985+to:59.000321,6.129878+to:59.1036632,6.1658668+to:59.0546423,6.6453875+to:59.0329733,7.2732129+to:59.3314754,7.3234743+to:60.9169779,7.2285212+to:61.5012583,7.8068174+to:61.8315609,8.5552078+to:62.0311021,7.2773764+to:Geiranger+Camping,+Geiranger,+Norge&hl=sv&sll=58.129668,7.990322&sspn=0.056829,0.154324&geocode=FYovdwMdpN15AA%3BFVrIegMdhJleACnNrptTlPk5RjF6rs1MR_VwwQ%3BFVz6gAMd0_NVACm5a62d6Uc6RjHiZTKyYBk3pA%3BFYP0gQMdDs1ZACkV7pGLpjE6RjEuPXQE_tvXMw%3BFQFGhAMd1ohdACnZabashdQ7RjFmnEmfFMGynQ%3BFa_ZhQMdahVeAClxV0_gKNc7RjH-DZC4KjWRfg%3BFTIahQMdi2ZlACnNFW5YuHA5RjHQ6btcT05UOQ%3BFY3FhAMd_PpuACnFG1k9qQM5RjGvbT4AZofLvg%3BFZNTiQMdUr9vACn9q0OcZiE5RjGsm-IQ2Qsl7w%3BFfGEoQMdaUxuACnRWdC-PRc-RjHy_01-LpAb-g%3BFUpvqgMdYR93ACkxo4U-P70VRjHp3YbE2UremA%3BFYh5rwMdx4qCAClJoiGJSP0URjF1ky3Bf6_2lw%3BFf6EsgMdQAtvACn3G3Ooqy8URjEINt36XUAW2g%3BFWGTswMdf_VtACFkuER7giFQjymxmQXJQCYURjFkuER7giFQjw&oq=Geir&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&via=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12&t=m&z=5)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 03, 2013, 15:49:39: Thank you all; I'll have a watchful look on all of these propositions … I see the far West road is not a good option??? (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/69.gif) The guides I've seen says all the fjords on this coast are the most marvelous part of Norway …. so …. :-\

Hope I can join you at this meeting ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on November 03, 2013, 18:37:09: Following the E39 coastal will give you 3 Ferries with one 25 minutes (mc+driver+passenger 122 NOK), one 40 minutes (164 NOK) and one 10 minutes passage (86 NOK) and probably some more which route to follow. €45 for just boating..

http://www.fjord1.no/ferje/ruteoversikt-for-ferje/e39-stavanger-trondheim (http://www.fjord1.no/ferje/ruteoversikt-for-ferje/e39-stavanger-trondheim)

Bergen is the 2nd most populated city in Norway. Weather is equal with Bretagne and Wales. Route suggested gives you the Preikestol and Lysebotn and 200 km north of Geiranger you have the Atlanthavsway that is recommended for its amazing bridge.
Norwegian coastline is a long one and it is fjords everywhere near the Atlantic ocean. The coast starts in Svinesund close to the Swedish south border and continues to Kirkenes up north near Russian border and Murmansk
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on November 03, 2013, 18:58:10: Exactly what I've been thinking Skye!
I'm there for biking and not for boating :)
Saves lot of time and money!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 03, 2013, 19:16:42: Thank you Magnus , I consider this information. I have to save money if I want to come.... I'm not ready to sleep under the tent in these cold conditions :-\ so I have to look each alternative.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on November 03, 2013, 19:36:43: One boat that could be recommended is the one from Forsand to Lysebotn. Unfortunatly season starts one week later than the VIM.
Otherwise going in those 27 hairpins is forced to be done first down and then up again to continue travel.

There are regular boatroutes but hard to be found. All should clear up in village Forsand what boat to take and how much it will cost.
Here Zebulon is what your guide have recommended.
http://www.lysefjordeninfo.no/en/ (http://www.lysefjordeninfo.no/en/) Take this boat instead of the other 3...
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 03, 2013, 20:22:10: Thank you again Magnus (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/19.gif) I have a lot of possibilities to learn, but luckily we have time and it makes me travel !!! (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/72.gif)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: texas on November 04, 2013, 14:16:48: Hello,

I'm planning my route to Geiranger and learned that the Brimnes-Ferry has been closed and Hardanger-Brua is open. Is it a Toll-Bridge and what are the charges?

Stephan
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on November 04, 2013, 15:02:10: Quote from: Skye on October 14, 2013, 20:57:15

Motorcycles don't need to pay in tollroads. Only exception is Dalsnibba cause it is a private own road and they really making the road better and better each year. Entry 12€

http://www.autopass.no/AutoPASS?anlegg=499037&back=4794 (http://www.autopass.no/AutoPASS?anlegg=499037&back=4794)

Free: mopeds and motorbikes
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: V Saarela on November 04, 2013, 19:02:45: @Zebulon: if you are coming from south you take the ferry from Lauvika. The ferry makes a stop then at Forsand.

if you are coming as Madero via Jorpeland you take instead of ferry to Lauvvika the bridge(below pic) to Forsand.

[imghttp://www.saarela.se/moped/touring/100722/100722-6b13.jpg][/img]

From Lauvvika you pass under this bridge on the ferry.

Few pics(I don´t remember the cost of this ferry, but....maybe it was about 175NOK?(year 2010). Remember also that I have to call and have to booked the ferry. Suppose that is not need in June?

http://www.saarela.se/moped/touring/100722/100722-7b1.html (http://www.saarela.se/moped/touring/100722/100722-7b1.html)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 04, 2013, 19:23:51: a ] is missing
(http://www.saarela.se/moped/touring/100722/100722-6b13.jpg)

Thank you !
I am learning all these possibilities…

Yes I come from south, deep south of France …. ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Athanman on November 04, 2013, 21:54:47: Quote from: zebulon on November 04, 2013, 19:23:51
a ] is missing
(http://www.saarela.se/moped/touring/100722/100722-6b13.jpg)

Thank you !
I am learning all these possibilities…

Yes I come from south, deep south of France …. ;)

If i finally manage to join this year VIM , we can arrange travel to North together Zebulon. ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 04, 2013, 22:22:00: Why not, while this may be concordant ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: a2i2 on November 05, 2013, 23:49:42: I'm from Tangier, Morocco. I would like to join the VCIM for the first time, but riding Tangier-Geiranger 9.000 km (return trip) should be bloody worth it! Otherwise I'll have to postpone until VCIM-17 in France, much closer :)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on November 05, 2013, 23:53:06: Well Aziz, it is the same for us up north of Europe. At least this one is in the neighbourhood, the rest is just as you described..
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on November 06, 2013, 10:24:07: Quote from: a2i2 on November 05, 2013, 23:49:42
I'm from Tangier, Morocco. I would like to join the VCIM for the first time, but riding Tangier-Geiranger 9.000 km (return trip) should be bloody worth it! Otherwise I'll have to postpone until VCIM-17 in France, much closer :)

Believe me, Norway is worth it! It would be kickin' spectacular to welcome a participant with Moroc lincence plates! ;)
And... most likely or Turkish friends will join as well... I guess their distance is apr the same (unless they use the train to Germany ;D )
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 06, 2013, 11:31:00: Yes Aziz you have a train from Narbonne to Hambourg where you can put the bike, it reduce the time with the ass on the saddle ! ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on November 06, 2013, 12:12:30: Quote from: zebulon on November 06, 2013, 11:31:00
Yes Aziz you have a train from Narbonne to Hambourg where you can put the bike, it reduce the time with the ass on the saddle ! ;)

Still? For some reason, I thought it wasn't possible anymore to go from Narbonne to Calais or Strasbourg, let alone Hamburg.
And I could find nothing about non-France destinations here: http://autotrain.voyages-sncf.com (http://autotrain.voyages-sncf.com)

To my embarrassment ;) I confess I have used this service in 1990 and 2001, both times from Narbonne to Paris.
But later I decided I'd better ride instead; after all, when we leave home in the morning, we are 700 km beyond Narbonne in the evening.

Back to topic. It is possible to ride from Morocco to Norway in three days, but perhaps it'd be better in four. Viamichelin recommends to cross Spain SW to W to center to N, and avoid the Mediterranean toll motorway.

Greetings,

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 06, 2013, 12:23:43: As said by Josep you can go to Paris with french Railway company; but you can go to Hambourg with German one: http://www.bahn.de/i/view/FRA/fr/prices/europe/train-auto.shtml (http://www.bahn.de/i/view/FRA/fr/prices/europe/train-auto.shtml) ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on November 06, 2013, 14:45:25: Quote from: zebulon on November 06, 2013, 12:23:43
As said by Josep you can go to Paris with french Railway company; but you can go to Hambourg with German one: http://www.bahn.de/i/view/FRA/fr/prices/europe/train-auto.shtml (http://www.bahn.de/i/view/FRA/fr/prices/europe/train-auto.shtml) ;)

Interesting! I wasn't aware of that!
So one can leave Narbonne any summer Thursday or Saturday at 16.00, and be in Hamburg 22 h later... something to think of when you're in a hurry. :)

The bad point is that you miss a lot of autoroutes/autobahnen ;)

Thanks, Gilles!

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 06, 2013, 14:52:09: Quote from: JosepM on November 06, 2013, 14:45:25

Interesting! I wasn't aware of that!
So one can leave Narbonne any summer Thursday or Saturday at 16.00, and be in Hamburg 22 h later... something to think of when you're in a hurry. :)

The bad point is that you miss a lot of autoroutes/autobahnen ;)

Thanks, Gilles!

Josep

Yes Josep, that´s what I'm thinking of . ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on November 06, 2013, 15:59:30: For the early starters... http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?topic=371.0 (http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?topic=371.0)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Athanman on November 06, 2013, 19:22:27: Quote from: a2i2 on November 05, 2013, 23:49:42
I'm from Tangier, Morocco. I would like to join the VCIM for the first time, but riding Tangier-Geiranger 9.000 km (return trip) should be bloody worth it! Otherwise I'll have to postpone until VCIM-17 in France, much closer :)

You can also use autozug in order to save '' time - money -kms! http://www.dbautozug.de/autozug-en/destinations/ (http://www.dbautozug.de/autozug-en/destinations/)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 06, 2013, 19:28:29: Quote from: Athanman on November 06, 2013, 19:22:27

You can also use autozug in order to save '' time - money -kms! http://www.dbautozug.de/autozug-en/destinations/ (http://www.dbautozug.de/autozug-en/destinations/)

sorry what is the difference with my proposition ? (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/69.gif)

Quote from: zebulon on November 06, 2013, 12:23:43
As said by Josep you can go to Paris with french Railway company; but you can go to Hambourg with German one: http://www.bahn.de/i/view/FRA/fr/prices/europe/train-auto.shtml (http://www.bahn.de/i/view/FRA/fr/prices/europe/train-auto.shtml) ;)

;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 06, 2013, 19:37:19: Quote from: Athanman on November 06, 2013, 19:31:13

We both have the same opinion my friend ,no offense ;)

;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: a2i2 on November 06, 2013, 20:15:02: Thanks for the tips! According to my calculations, if I'm riding the whole way on my bike, I'll need about 25 full tanks for the return trip (9000km), which is about € 1000 for the gas. Hotel stays, food, etc. is another story. Donations anyone? ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 06, 2013, 20:33:09: If you put 22 liters each time, x 25 tank x 1,43€/l = 786,50€ you just win 213,50 € ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: a2i2 on November 06, 2013, 20:57:43: Thanks Zebulon. For the distance that I'll need to ride (9000 km), I'll have to get 3 tanks more if I put 22L instead of 25L. But in the end, I will end up with an extra € 100! Not bad after all! :P

But if I choose for comfort, your suggestion of the railway is not a bad idea.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on November 06, 2013, 21:26:57: Quote from: Two Plugs on November 06, 2013, 10:24:07

Believe me, Norway is worth it! It would be kickin' spectacular to welcome a participant with Moroc lincence plates! ;)

I think it will look just like Norwegian plates in Morocco ;)

(http://i929.photobucket.com/albums/ad133/Snurrepus/P1030134_zpsa4c9f882.jpg) (http://s929.photobucket.com/user/Snurrepus/media/P1030134_zpsa4c9f882.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: a2i2 on November 07, 2013, 00:44:29: Coooool!!!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: V Saarela on November 07, 2013, 06:52:40: It seems that the ferry to/from Lysebotn starts a week after, about 13/6
http://fjordcruise.norled.no/RoundTripGroups.aspx?id=3000 (http://fjordcruise.norled.no/RoundTripGroups.aspx?id=3000)
It might a way when going home for some riders?

The ferry is at the same time a touristferry, the tell all the storys after the fjord. A trip after a fjord with the storys is much much more interesting, so do take the touristboat at the Geirangerfjord as well.

Booking Lysebotn via phone(I did that) or http://www.fiskepirterminalen.com/booking/bookingkats.cfm?rutetype=1 (http://www.fiskepirterminalen.com/booking/bookingkats.cfm?rutetype=1)

At the Lysebotn, there are a small camping, also with rooms.
(http://www.saarela.se/aktuellt/aktuelltbild05/050725b15.jpg)

Noth much to do at the campingarea, but if coming a little bit late and will wait next days ferry.....
(http://www.saarela.se/aktuellt/aktuelltbild05/050725b16.jpg)

About the ferry(colorline) between Norway and Denmark: Funny, I took this summer the ferry between Larvik-Hirshals and found that they take booth norwegian and danish money in shops cafeteria etc atc, but you will always get back in norwegian. Maybe good to know.....?
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 08, 2013, 13:54:04: Is there a place where i can find all the camp places (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/Vacances16.gif) , you've said above… I had a look with google and (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/96.gif). I'm afraid to take the tent, because of the temperature (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/85.gif) and perhaps the rain (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/86.gif)…. (if you can assure me I have 20°C Min and sun (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/53.png), I can take it ;D ). I'm looking on camp places with cabins, mobil-home because of the prices of the hotel . I am taker of any information in that direction . Thx in advance. (http://crosstourer.fr/varadero/Smileys/default/19.gif)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on November 08, 2013, 14:18:22: Hi Zebulon,

In Norway you will find campsites, Hytter (cabins), B&B (Pensjonat) just along the roads everywhere and cheaper than hotel. Often marked aside of the road with the name Hytter. Early season it makes no trouble to find places to stay.

Some are organized, some are private so can never tell where they are. Nearly every little village have some type of accomodation, just ask the locals in the next gasstation or supermarket.

(http://www.bygg.no/cache/image/32970/53/stryn-skilt-bredde.jpg)

Best link to get information from Norway is, www.visitnorway.com (http://www.visitnorway.com)

http://www.visitnorway.com/fr/Hebergements/Camping-en-Norvege/chalets-dens-les-campings/ (http://www.visitnorway.com/fr/Hebergements/Camping-en-Norvege/chalets-dens-les-campings/)
http://www.visitnorway.com/uk/Where-to-stay/Camping-and-caravanning-in-Norway/Camping-cabins/ (http://www.visitnorway.com/uk/Where-to-stay/Camping-and-caravanning-in-Norway/Camping-cabins/)
http://www.visitnorway.com/es/Donde-alojarse/Camping-y-autocaravana-en-Noruega/Cabanas-de-camping/ (http://www.visitnorway.com/es/Donde-alojarse/Camping-y-autocaravana-en-Noruega/Cabanas-de-camping/)
http://www.visitnorway.com/nl/Onderdak/Camping-and-caravanning-in-Norway/Campinghutten-in-Noorwegen-/ (http://www.visitnorway.com/nl/Onderdak/Camping-and-caravanning-in-Norway/Campinghutten-in-Noorwegen-/)
http://www.visitnorway.com/de/Ubernachtung/Camping-in-Norwegen/Campinghutten/ (http://www.visitnorway.com/de/Ubernachtung/Camping-in-Norwegen/Campinghutten/)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 08, 2013, 14:50:47: Thank you Magnus! Good news! Have we to take night sheets or are they included?
I've looked this site and a lot of others.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on November 08, 2013, 15:56:20: Quote from: zebulon on November 08, 2013, 14:50:47
Thank you Magnus! Good news! Have we to take night sheets or are they included?
I've looked this site and a lot of others.

The Hytter are (esspecially the private owned ones, not those on a camp site!) often very well equipped, but I would take a sleeping bag with me, just in case...
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 08, 2013, 16:08:38: Sorry for my ignorance of these country; a sleeping bag or a duvet ? thank you … ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on November 10, 2013, 22:31:03: Bag for you, Zebulon. A duvet for me... I'm singe... ;D ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: steve razor on November 12, 2013, 00:22:31: regarding the huts, this site explains them basically.you need a sleep sack... i've been told it might be worth buying a season pass/ticket '''DNT staffed lodges are open to members and non-members alike, but members pay a discounted rate that covers the annual fee (530 NOK or $95) in a few nights''''''''. i've been told as long as 1 of the group has a pass. that will give a discounted rate to all in that group..is this right ? .....maybe one of you local lads can offer some advice on the purchase of a pass..can you purchase a monthly pass at a lesser price ?

http://www.switchbacktravel.com/norway/public-huts (http://www.switchbacktravel.com/norway/public-huts)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on November 12, 2013, 00:34:41: Steve... why bother? In Norway you can find comfortable cabins 'Hytter' at any streetcorner, prices starting from NOK300 and sometimes, even cheaper... That's for a full 4 person cabin... !
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: steve razor on November 12, 2013, 00:41:17: bernard,
i thought this site was the information for the huts/hutters...forgive me if i got it wrong. looking foreward to the trip.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Bønne on November 12, 2013, 10:01:34: Hi Steve (I assume this is your real name too :) )

The huts you refer to are owned by DNT, The Norwegian Trekking/Tourist Association.
These huts are designed for use on hiking/trekking in the mountains and are therefore
placed around in the mountains. You cannot reach them by motorcycle, only by foot. You
don´t buy a "Pass", but a one-year (at a time), membership to DNT and then you can
borrow a key for the non-serviced huts and a discount on the price.

So, unless you are planning a hike in the mountains, these huts are not interesting for
motorcycle travellers.

The huts/cabins Bernard refers to are placed at campsites or private ground everywhere
along the roads and has nothing to do with DNT. But here as well, it´s a good idea to
bring a light sleeping bag.

Here you can download the Norwegian Camping Guide, with campsites all over Norway:

http://www.camping.no/campingguide-i-pdf/. (http://www.camping.no/campingguide-i-pdf/.)

And these are only the campsites who have chosen to be registrated in the guide, there
are many other campsites everywhere.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: steve razor on November 12, 2013, 11:18:24: bonne,
thanks very much for the reply. it's answered my questions..i'll download the guide, in case i need cheap accomodation on route....cheers...steve
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on November 12, 2013, 12:06:55: Also worth to mention is that the GPS Points Of Interests in the devices just cover 20% of the campsites by default.

There is POI's to download but yet it is not cover all, espicially those private cabins that is hosted by a family in connection to their private mainhouse. Just open your eyes and look for own designed signs.

http://www.norwegen-reise.com/en/norway.camping.map.0.html (http://www.norwegen-reise.com/en/norway.camping.map.0.html)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on November 12, 2013, 13:01:39: Thank you Magnus; added; it is a very good thing, we can have cheaper accommodation then hotel ! it can bring us coming ! ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on November 12, 2013, 22:27:41: Skye,

tks as zebulon just said before.

Please can you tell us how expensive are these private accos ?

I booked hotels via www in NOR and SWE in average for 65 € per night with breakfast.

Greetings from the South of Germany

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on November 12, 2013, 22:59:31: Well, prices starts about €30 and since season just is ahead and not fully starts in the end of June there is a fair chance to find vacancies late in the evening.

Sweden is totally different. Hard to find and expensive cabins from 60€ per night. Cheaper eating though..

@Meine Dicke.

Thought you had relatives to visit during your route through Sweden. Cause it was funny places to stop. Oslo-Hamburg is a 900 km drive including 2 fast ferries in Denmark. Fully managed in one day driving on the Highway.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on November 12, 2013, 23:08:26: No relatives. Just looked at the map, asked my garmin to find a way WITHOUT highways and have daily no longer tours than 300 - 400 km.

And at the end, I had never been in Sweden except at Stockholm, for half a day.

Third reason, I want to become aquainted with country and its people and I hate HIGHWAYS.

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on November 13, 2013, 00:24:41: Well, not knowing what your route is. I can make you one and even offer Acco in my house.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Bønne on November 13, 2013, 19:51:44: This is another possibility: http://www.svenskalag.se/userpage.asp?teamID=6890&UserPageID=17780 (http://www.svenskalag.se/userpage.asp?teamID=6890&UserPageID=17780)

The first MC-campsite in Europe (1977), driven by Vätterbygdens MC Klub i Bankeryd near Jönköbing at the
buttom of lake Vättern.

A little more east, but a nice place and a chance to meet some other riders.

Or this one, half between Jönköbing and Helsingborg: http://www.alebo.se/index-en.php (http://www.alebo.se/index-en.php)

An ordinary hotel for all kind of people, but very friendly to motorcyclists, many uses it, a nice place, but of
cause more expensive than a campsite.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on November 14, 2013, 21:25:53: Tks @ all for finding the best routing.

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on January 07, 2014, 16:52:49: we are led to cross Danemark & probably Sweden also ... is this possibility "Huts" available in those countries ? ???

We probably ride with Exvara, so a 4 places cabin is a very good deal for us.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on January 07, 2014, 17:56:05: Gilles, it is really not hard to find good cabins both in Sweden and Norway. Skip the cabins on an official campsite, they are generally spoken more expensive and offer less. The private owned cabins are the ones (as mentioned before!) the ones you have to look for. Often they are fully furnished, more like a little holiday house than a simple wood cabin which you would expect!

If Skye has taught it right to me, these are called 'Stuga' in Sweden, and 'Hytter' in Norway. Normally you will find small, private roadsigns along the road in villages or near farmhouses. Sometimes the owner provides an breakfast option, but mostly they are self-catering.

But: that is not a problem either. I had very good and affordable (cheap!) breakfasts with 'raisin bolls (bread)' and - excellent - coffee in local 'Coöperative Supermarkets' or gasstations which you will find in most villages along the roads.

From the best coffee's I have enjoyed world wide, coffee offered in Scandinavian countries are in my personal top 3! Just plain, black filtercoffee.. Brilliant! Often you will be offered a 2nd cup for free.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on January 07, 2014, 18:36:41: Hope the coffee will be to my taste !! ;D I like strong coffee as it is in Italy, Spain, Croatia and in (south) france !
Ok for that; I go there with nose in the wind, and see what will happens :D

Another question; is it possible to pay with Euros or not ? We haven't more habit to change money and we have to change Norvegian crowns surely, but ask for 1 day or 2 for Swedish crowns, Danish crowns ... :-\

I know the best way and courtesy will say we pay in each custom money; but not sure I have enough pockets to have so much differents money ... :D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on January 07, 2014, 21:12:21: Good question zebulon.

We in Central Europe have forgotten how money changing works.

Greetings from the South of Germany, which is in Central Europe

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: kjetil on January 07, 2014, 22:21:11: Quote from: zebulon on January 07, 2014, 18:36:41
Another question; is it possible to pay with Euros or not ? We haven't more habit to change money and we have to change Norvegian crowns surely, but ask for 1 day or 2 for Swedish crowns, Danish crowns ... :-\

Use plastic it is the easiest and best way.
Plastic can be used at 98% of the stores and on the ferries.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on January 07, 2014, 22:31:58: Yes, sure , but we have to sleep in "huts", drink coffees etc.... :D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on January 07, 2014, 23:21:59: Quote from: kjetil on January 07, 2014, 22:21:11
Quote from: zebulon on January 07, 2014, 18:36:41
Another question; is it possible to pay with Euros or not ? We haven't more habit to change money and we have to change Norvegian crowns surely, but ask for 1 day or 2 for Swedish crowns, Danish crowns ... :-\

Use plastic it is the easiest and best way.
Plastic can be used at 98% of the stores and on the ferries.

Confirm. Scandinavia is way ahead considering the use of bank- and credit cards. Most fuel stations don't even accept cash any more. And for the rare occasion you have to pay at a private owned accommodation... Every town has an cash-machine (ATM). Use the pocket money you get as change, to spent on the ferry back to the Old World... ;)

In Denmark I can remember, that paying in Euro isn't a big issue.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on January 08, 2014, 00:12:37: Last summer I took more than necessary Norwegian crowns, but some Swedish and Danish as well.
I remember filling the tank before leaving Sweden and pay with all Swedish crowns I had left, plus some Norwegian too. No problem as long as they were notes, not coins.

BTW. I recommend to make the mental exchange rate 1 Scandinavian crown=10 EUR cents. It's easy, and things don't look so utterly expensive. ::)

Regards,

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on January 08, 2014, 00:31:17: On my Scandinavian trip last summer I carried both Euros, Danish Krones, Swedish Krones and Norwegian Krones in cash. Some years ago I've had some bad experiences by paying everything on my credit card : for each payment my bank calculated an extra transmissionfee. :-[
For pure convenience I now only pay tollstations and petrolstations on my credit card and all the other (mostly small) expenses by cash. Get myself enough cash from a local cashmachine in the specific country and pay the extra fee only once. :)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: V Saarela on January 09, 2014, 09:20:24: It might good to know:
I travelled last summer from Norway(Larvik) to Denmark(Hirshals) with Colorline. When paying with norwegian or danish value you get back in norwegian.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on January 09, 2014, 14:05:51: Also good to know.
In Denmark they always add a fee (appx 3%) when you pay with a credit card.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on January 09, 2014, 16:36:14: Quote from: Snurrepus on January 09, 2014, 14:05:51
Also good to know.
In Denmark they always add a fee (appx 3%) when you pay with a credit card.

OK!
My "bad experience" was indeed in Denmark!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on January 09, 2014, 23:01:46: So... in Norway the use of a creditcard is for free? ;D ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on January 10, 2014, 00:43:15: Yep. In Norway credit card use is for free. Everywhere!
The last years almost all stores - big or small - accept Mastercard and Visa.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on January 10, 2014, 13:23:20: But, as I know, you need to have your pin-code to use these cards in NOR, which is not usual in Germany (there you have to sign the bill).

Is this correct?

Greetings from the South of Germany ...
Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on January 10, 2014, 16:38:43: I will check this up to be 100% sure, Rainer.
I see that the Norwegian credit card machines often have a slide for the magnetic stripe, but I'm not sure if it works.
By the way, I have never heard about foreigners having trouble with it...

Regards
Erik
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on January 10, 2014, 17:14:08: I've never had any problem with my PIN credit card.

I used to have problems with the "PINless" old one, mostly in France, where it was accepted in supermarket based gas stations (that is, the majority) ONLY while the SM was open.

Greetings,

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: V Saarela on January 10, 2014, 18:02:35: I have always money in my pocket and do not often use the card there since....
It happens me once in Norway...strange reservation on my creditcard and I did not get my fuel paid with card on next filling up.

I saw last summer a diskussion about that on a Swedish forum at "SMC" I can´t found it now, only a small discussion on forum "sporthoj.com" about the threadh on SMC´s threadh http://www.sporthoj.com/forum/showthread.php?264317-Kortbetalning-i-Norge-reserverar-dom-men-%E4r-faktiskt-belopp (http://www.sporthoj.com/forum/showthread.php?264317-Kortbetalning-i-Norge-reserverar-dom-men-%E4r-faktiskt-belopp)

Not many words about it, but among others one is writing he had a reservation 4.000:- Home he saw it was a gasstation which had done that
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on January 10, 2014, 19:38:01: We've used even in Bosnia this summer without any problem ... ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on January 15, 2014, 17:13:20: Even if all Norwegian cards have a chip, it also possible to use the magnetic stripe and to sign the bill.
Most places will ask you for an ID.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on March 03, 2014, 12:09:15: @ All,

Please stay ontopic... Its all about the way to Geiranger here ;)

I've splitted the discussion about 'local national regulations' (reflective safety vests, etc) and moved that part to this location:
http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?topic=501.0 (http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?topic=501.0)

Tnx,
Bernard
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Jack Sawdayee on March 03, 2014, 15:38:24: Dear Friends
Enclosed the map of the route I am planning to take. What is your opinion and can it be made in three and a half days of riding
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on March 03, 2014, 15:40:56: I do it -but not exact the same route - from Karlsruhe in 2 1/2 days.

rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on March 03, 2014, 15:54:38: @ Jack
I don't know how often ferries from Rostock depart. I know that the shortest ferry, and with almost continuous service is Puttgarden-Rodbyhavn, reachable via Hannover, Hamburg, Lübeck.
IMO it's not worth the bridge to Malmö, better the "traditional" Helsingor-Helsingborg ferry instead.
It seems to me that the route inside Norway is the "most straight one". I believe that there were other nicer alternatives in the presentation video made by our Norwegian friends :)
And time depends on the chosen route. ;D

Regards,

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on March 03, 2014, 16:09:53: Hi again, Jack.

Of course you will make this in 3,5 days, but you'll need to drive a lot of motorways.
The ferry from Rostock leaves appx every two hours. It's best to book in advance, but I understand that can be difficult for you.
However - take a look at this site
https://www.scandlines.com/tickets-and-prices/tickets-and-prices/rostock-gedser. (https://www.scandlines.com/tickets-and-prices/tickets-and-prices/rostock-gedser.)
You'll find departure times and prices.

Don't hesitate to contact me for other details.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on March 03, 2014, 20:40:21: Hello Jack,

You want to drive in Sweden? Or do you want the best route?

At least you should avoid the E6 after passing Oslo. That is a boring and slow road with only one lane in each direction up to Otta. Much trucks, caravans and mobilehomes that you only will smell the diesel of,,

Taking the E6/E20 in Sweden is a highway with speeds from 120 to 90 km/h. You will pass Gothenburg and try to avoid rushhour between 15-18 hours.

I think you will have a more pleasant journey going from Berlin to Hamburg and follow the E45 to Hirtshals. Speedboat is cheap and go fast. You will also see a lot more scenic roads going straight up via E16 from Hönefoss to Fagernes. From there you can drive over the mountains in road 51, Road 53 or road 55. You will end up in Lom and there from follow the road 15 until you see the Geiranger Sign - Road 63, turn right

Made a little video which explanes a lot. http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?topic=470.0 (http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?topic=470.0)

Got a GPS? I can make you all a file that can be downloaded. Will use the .gpx but it is easy to convert to other formats.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on March 03, 2014, 23:30:29: Hi Jack,

Absolutely a delight to learn that you are going to make it... You could teach Barry a few lessons! ;)

I agree with the above. I have done this route (from Helsingor/Helsingborg to Gotenburg) by car and even by car the stretch from the ferry till Gotenborg is AB-SO-LU-TE-LY borring... Skip it.

You could ride directly in Northern directions and pass between Sweden's great two lakes, than west and cross the border near Kongsvinger / Trollhättan - the city known for the SAAB factory and museum but it is actually one of West Sweden's seven wonders you want to visit: the canal locks and waterfalls in Trollhättan.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on March 04, 2014, 00:12:59: If you don 't want absolutely to put your wheels in Sweden, there are ferries between Copenhagen & Oslo; we 've choose this way, considering it's not so expensive relative to riding, sleeping along the south of Sweden. 8)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on March 04, 2014, 01:28:29: You can choose to drive the old E6 which follow the westcoast of Sweden but it will take some time but with a scenic coastal road. Lots of small villages and speed going up&down all the time. Between 40 and 90 km/h. set GPS avoid highways and you're done.

In Jacks case that he mention he have 3,5 day it's better to skip Sweden, Norway is 500% more scenic and better to do kilometers there. If you need sleep boats from Kiel and Copenhagen are better. You will rise up fully rest and just skip the boring roads.

It is just how the planning is. Somewhere you all need a sleep, it is just where. Believe Jack likes to use the tent if it is weather enough. A night in a Swedish campsite with tent is from €15 to €30 just depending on popularity and services. Closer to Norway the more expensive they will be. Norwegians just love the Swedish Westcoast and it is so cheap for them. Following the coastal way, there is where the campsites are.

Like Two Plugs says, riding from Trollhättan and NOT between the big lakes. You will going into the county of Dalsland and Wermland.

I provided Grass with a routesuggestion.
http://goo.gl/maps/TrfLI (http://goo.gl/maps/TrfLI)

It is possible to stay on the small roads. Just depending how much time you have got to spend.

Last year I was visiting the southern eastcoast of Sweden. Never been riding there before and mission was to get there only using gravelroads and small non traffic roads. Took us twelve hours to drive 400 km. A lot of breaks and mapviewing.

Recorded one year ahead of VIM#16, 4th june 2013, My camera mount went bad during the ride. So shaky..

https://vimeo.com/68349942 (http://vimeo.com/68349942)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Jack Sawdayee on March 04, 2014, 09:23:27: Dear friends
Thank you very much for your response, for me the most important item is time because I have to exactly time my plane travel from Israel to Greece and ferry travel from Patras Greece to Italy.
From Italy to and back to VCIM16 I have between three to three and a half days, otherwise my whole schedule would be upset.
I have no problem receiving GPS file on GPG format I use GARMIN ZUMO 660. I would really appreciate if you just trace the shortest time road on a map.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on March 04, 2014, 16:43:19: http://routes.skye.se/jack/ (http://routes.skye.se/jack/)

Main is to Follow the E45 whole way from Verona to Aalborg, then E39 to Hirtshals
In Munich.. Go around and not get into the central part.

Check departures at Hirtshals that suit your timetable. Three to four different lines and 2 companies.
http://www.directferries.com/ (http://www.directferries.com/)

Suggested in MAP and GPX. Hirtshals - Larvik with Colorline
Departure 12:45 Arriving: 16:30
(http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=311.0;attach=562;image)
www.colorline.com (http://www.colorline.com)

GPX file for Zumo 660. Might be devided in three otherwise Gps thinks it is to many waypoints and can't handle it.
Had to zip it, otherwise it will not be able for a download.
http://routes.skye.se/vim16-for-jack.zip (http://routes.skye.se/vim16-for-jack.zip)

2370 km, In Ironbutt style it can be done in 36 hours. Calculated with hitting Timetable for Hirtshals. Driving each day from 0600 to 2000 with 45 minutes of stop every 300 kilometers.
2 days and 3 hours.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: numptyspence on March 04, 2014, 18:57:30: Skye great work there .

Jack if you can prove you did it that time ill buy you a few drinks (Even at the prices in Norway) :)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on March 04, 2014, 20:17:44: Have updated since the google map is so misleading.

Only issue I have with this new link is that routeprogram isn't aware of speedboat2, So arrivaltime to Norway will be 16.30
http://routes.skye.se/jack/ (http://routes.skye.se/jack/)

(http://routes.skye.se/jack/index_files/image_map.gif)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on March 04, 2014, 20:28:24: Jack, if you take this way, you MUST have a stop in Venezia VCIF_a040hae
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Jack Sawdayee on March 04, 2014, 20:41:30: Skye exactly what I needed, I opened the file and I am going to use it, thank you very much.
numptyspence I am counting on your beer
Zebulon the plan is sending the bike from Israel in a boat to Lavrio Greece, fly to Athen then Lavrio Grecce then a ferry from Patras Greece to Venice Italy and the way Skye gave
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on March 04, 2014, 20:51:59: Thanx Jack

Saw an error in the file so I have recently updated it. It was a problem around Munich, so please update..

About sleep in northern Germany, There is a moon in the map, Try to drive another halfhour
You will reach a lot of campsites and hostels in that area. Both in the West and East coast.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on March 04, 2014, 22:27:10: No matter what route you are gonna take and how much time it will take you Jack :

I'll get you a cold beer anyway, out of very great respect for this huge trip you are gonna make to join us in Geiranger!
VCIF_a025

Please drive safely and keep the polished up!
See you in Geiranger!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on March 04, 2014, 23:01:35: That was what I ordered of Snurrepus aswell arriving to Spain done an equal ride.. He was at the beach.

Thank god for Bouncer and Catherine cabin next door. Saw my needs.. Wolfgang and Barbara also present

(http://varadero.skye.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/VIM14-15.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on March 05, 2014, 19:24:58: Quote from: Skye on March 04, 2014, 23:01:35
That was what I ordered of Snurrepus aswell arriving to Spain done an equal ride.. He was at the beach.

What the f...?? ;) ;)
The fridge was filled up with beers, and it wasn't at the beach!!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on March 05, 2014, 20:08:44: Quote from: Snurrepus on March 05, 2014, 19:24:58
Quote from: Skye on March 04, 2014, 23:01:35
That was what I ordered of Snurrepus aswell arriving to Spain done an equal ride.. He was at the beach.

What the f...?? ;) ;)
The fridge was filled up with beers, and it wasn't at the beach!!

Yes, it looks like filled up with beers. But with small beers, very small beers.

@ Jack, nearly the same rout as I will take. We will have the same route, lets say from Hannover on.
My first bed I booked at the German Danish border at Handewitt. Just have a look at the net, there you will find a lot of accos along the way up to Geiranger.

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on March 05, 2014, 20:46:44: Quote from: meine dicke on March 05, 2014, 20:08:44
...
Yes, it looks like filled up with beers. But with small beers, very small beers.

Rainer

A few years ago, I (silly me) asked a friend who er... drinks quite more beer than me 8) the reason why they ordered "quintos" (0.2 l bottles) one after the other, instead of some larger container.
The answer looked 100% reasonable for our climate: this way no drop of it gets warm. Anyway, I've felt very hot days in Germany, and even then you guys seem to order 0.5l "vom Fass" as default ;)

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on March 05, 2014, 22:57:36: I think we have at least one drunk Israeli at this years meeting with all the beers he will get...
Including mine! ;D

Go4it, Jack! And feel free to pop over at my place if you fancy a little detour on your way back.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on March 05, 2014, 23:36:43: Let's hope that we can get some real (5%) decent beer in Geiranger anyway!
Personally I hate drinking beer from the bottle or by big ("dead") 0.5 ltr pints :-\

I rather enjoy a perfectly draft and served beer like this:
(http://candbpublichouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/warsteiner-cock-and-bull-cincinnati.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on March 06, 2014, 00:34:18: Think it will look like this.

(http://cdn.resizor.com/imgp2diy2_4a3e175c0f614d88-w680.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Freddy on March 06, 2014, 18:07:06: Or maybe this...
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on March 06, 2014, 18:20:25: Quote from: Skye on March 06, 2014, 00:34:18
Think it will look like this.

(http://cdn.resizor.com/imgp2diy2_4a3e175c0f614d88-w680.jpg)

Just like this one without the clouds ... possible for VIM dates ? :D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on March 06, 2014, 18:33:26: Quote from: zebulon on March 06, 2014, 18:20:25
Just like this one without the clouds ... possible for VIM dates ? :D

;D

Without the clouds and with a glass please!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on March 06, 2014, 19:17:02: Then it will look like this..

(http://varadero.skye.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DSC_0123-600x401.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on April 08, 2014, 13:11:57: Hi Folks!

I'm now working out my daily routes in more detail. Since my wife will join me, we would like to enjoy as much as possible from the beautiful Norwegian countryside, so I'm planning to go a bit criss-cross through south-west Norway. Really looking forward to this trip!
;D

1. It is mentioned before in this topic that bikers do not need to pay toll on the main roads in Norway (marked as "Bompenger" on the maps). However, there are some privatly owned roads where toll has to be payed.
I don't want to get in trouble, so paying toll is not a big issue, but how do I know if a biker has to pay or not? Is this clearly marked on a sign?

2. On my way towards a campsite south of Rodberg I have planned to take this (mountain?-)road. Can any local tell me what I can expect here? Will it be open and free of snow? Is it gravel? According to my map it is a private road where toll has to be paid. If it all becomes too difficult I will take route 40 and enjoy the "fossen" north of Kongsberg.

Thnx!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on April 08, 2014, 13:54:11: Quote from: Madero on April 08, 2014, 13:11:57
Hi Folks!

I'm now working out my daily routes in more detail. Since my wife will join me, we would like to enjoy as much as possible from the beautiful Norwegian countryside, so I'm planning to go a bit criss-cross through south-west Norway. Really looking forward to this trip!
;D

1. It is mentioned before in this topic that bikers do not need to pay toll on the main roads in Norway (marked as "Bompenger" on the maps). However, there are some privatly owned roads where toll has to be payed.
I don't want to get in trouble, so paying toll is not a big issue, but how do I know if a biker has to pay or not? Is this clearly marked on a sign?

2. On my way towards a campsite south of Rodberg I have planned to take this (mountain?-)road. Can any local tell me what I can expect here? Will it be open and free of snow? Is it gravel? According to my map it is a private road where toll has to be paid. If it all becomes too difficult I will take route 40 and enjoy the "fossen" north of Kongsberg.

Thnx!

One toll road I took in Norway last year (by car) had an automatic barrier: you put cash or credit card, and the barrier lifted. And it was gravel.
Another one I took a few years ago (by bike) had a human cashier: you paid and you got in. And it was paved.

Toll roads, in Michelin maps, have a special sign (a small black crossed line). The image you sent is a bit too small...

I believe through googleearth can one assess whether paved or not...

Greetings,

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on April 08, 2014, 14:42:24: Tollroads are marked like this:
(http://www.abcnyheter.no/files/images/2011-40/1317989706Skiltsak004-jpg-425008f.jpg)(http://www.abcnyheter.no/files/images/2011-40/_thumbs/custom_200__1317989808Skiltsak001-jpg-425009f.jpg)

Kr is the currency =kroner (money)

(http://www.abcnyheter.no/files/images/2011-40/_thumbs/custom_200__1317989650Skiltsak002-jpg-425006f.jpg)
Automatic (cars only with numberplate in front)

The tollroads that you will pay is often to a tourist attraction and there will be a sign within the boom.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GBCfF6wlZvU/TLTDOiL0gwI/AAAAAAAAERA/dwqosAn_Vik/s1600/i-Jotunheimvegen+stopp.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on April 08, 2014, 14:53:42: @Madero. road 755/753 is a narrow asphalt road. Perfect for motorcycle. Snow, don't know. Can't tell the forecast

Edit: Don't be scared to use the smaller roads. Often paved. If gravel comes and you don't like to drive on it. Turn around. Roads that Google maps shows are reguarly for heavy traffic. Smaller roads are just fine for mc. You are not driving in Russia and it is inhabited. Therefor there are roads. The locals use them. Well, not so crowded. People living here like their privacy.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on April 08, 2014, 17:38:32: Thanx for the replies Josep & Skye!

And for the pic as well: I've planned to ride the Jotunheimvegen to Skabu too ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on April 08, 2014, 18:00:48: The smallest roads often use a very simple payment method.
In the beginning of the road, you can find a small sign with a price list, and a mailbox.
Maybe you will find some numbered envelopes.
Write down the license plate number on the envelope, put the money inside and put it into the mailbox.
If motorbike isn't mentioned in the price list, it's free.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: steve razor on April 09, 2014, 09:17:08: more information coming through. much appreciated. thanks.
1 more question:- are we allowed to camp in the wild ? &, serious, are there bears ?
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: kjetil on April 09, 2014, 10:36:39: Quote from: steve razor on April 09, 2014, 09:17:08
1 more question:- are we allowed to camp in the wild ? &, serious, are there bears ?

Thats 2 questions.... ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: steve razor on April 09, 2014, 09:17:08
are we allowed to camp in the wild ?

Yes in Norway we have this statutory access rights. ::)
http://www.environment.no/Topics/Outdoor-recreation/Right-of-access-/ (http://www.environment.no/Topics/Outdoor-recreation/Right-of-access-/)

Quote from: steve razor on April 09, 2014, 09:17:08
serious, are there bears ?

Yes we have bears in Norway.. :o
Both white and brown.

If you want to see the white bears ( Polar bears ), you must travel to Svalbard, which is also part of Norway.

The brown you should look closely to find, they can be found mostly to the east of Norway along the border to Sweden.

http://www.rovdata.no/Portals/Rovdata/LiveContent/6094/Images/Oversikt%20over%20brunbj%C3%B8rn%20i%20Norge%202011.jpg (http://www.rovdata.no/Portals/Rovdata/LiveContent/6094/Images/Oversikt%20over%20brunbj%C3%B8rn%20i%20Norge%202011.jpg)

Most of the animals in Norway are not dangerous to people, and we can safely use the countryside without being afraid of wild animals.
Today, there are not many brown bears left in Norway’s forests.
The brown bear can grow up to 125 cm tall at the shoulder and can weigh up to 350 kg.
They primarily live off berries and plants, but they can sometimes eat sheep and people driving (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3770/13733238193_b19c016560_o.png).

kjetil
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: steve razor on April 09, 2014, 10:52:12: kjetil.

Thats 2 questions....

2 questions my **se...

thanks for the answer (s )...really appreciated & the links explain everything..

''' but they can sometimes eat sheep and people '''

we are hopefully going to nordkapp after vim but not bringing any sheep
( well, maybe 1 or 2 for company )....

looking foreward to the trip....see you @ vim 16
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: kjetil on April 09, 2014, 11:09:13: Quote from: steve razor on April 09, 2014, 10:52:12

''' but they can sometimes eat sheep and people '''

They dont eat people, only sheeps who are driving BMuu... ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: SB on April 09, 2014, 17:18:18: Quote from: steve razor on April 09, 2014, 09:17:08
1 more question:- are there bears ?

Campers are advised to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.

Visitors should wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.

Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear's sensitive nose and it will run away.

It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between reindeer and bear scat.

Bear droppings are easily recognised as they tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.

::)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on April 09, 2014, 17:34:06: I've been told that bear meat seems to be very tastefull...
Probs is that you have to catch them, before they catch you...

And they do climb trees! ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: kjetil on April 09, 2014, 18:29:29: (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3726/13739987355_d025d33f06_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on April 09, 2014, 18:53:12: Kjetil.... ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on April 09, 2014, 19:15:38: Quote from: kjetil on April 09, 2014, 18:29:29
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3726/13739987355_d025d33f06_o.jpg)
LOL ;D

Never seen a bear in real when out hiking. Has smashed into two mooses, 6 deers and a lot of other animals when out driving. Latest deer was hit in 165 km/h and I took it with the plow.. So be careful when driving. There can just be in front of you jumping out from a ditch.

Vehicle:
http://www.jimhell.se/rc/thumbnail.php?id=1322 (http://www.jimhell.se/rc/thumbnail.php?id=1322)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: steve razor on April 09, 2014, 19:17:37: please don't extract the urine !

i asked a genuine question ( or 2 ), 'cos i was concerned ( not many bears in Wales ) & got a sensible answer..............until .............

the administrators joined in...

now i'm all confused again..
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on April 09, 2014, 20:10:41: Seen that in Croatia, but nothing else... ;)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iiMiGsBFJpM/UkCA1pWX5vI/AAAAAAAABYk/zdFWORHqUCI/w618-h824-no/Ours.jpg)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: numptyspence on April 09, 2014, 21:23:46: Quote from: steve razor on April 09, 2014, 19:17:37
please don't extract the urine !

i asked a genuine question ( or 2 ), 'cos i was concerned ( not many bears in Wales ) & got a sensible answer..............until .............

the administrators joined in...

now i'm all confused again..

Don't worry steve, if we see any i wont make you suffer. Ill throw you at the bear. before i do a Usain Bolt
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: jackyork on April 10, 2014, 03:26:56: For soft British people with only one real venomous creature to watch out for. If you are in the wilds, do be aware of the possibility of adders, out sunbathing. A friend put his hand on one and was bitten, while bird watching in Scandinavia (well north, as they were looking for snowy owls). He was lucky not to loose his finger from the infection. Rare but not impossible.

JK
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on May 06, 2014, 03:49:51: 2010 it was announced that VIM#16 was to be held in Geiranger, Norway.
Today it is only one month left and the meeting is on!!

Questions about the way? Mechanical Problems or lost? Don't hesitate to ask me during your route and I might find some ideas or suggestions. My network is quite spread all over in scandinavia.

English is quite common and there will be no problems in explaining but sometimes it is great to know where to turn and where you can have a workshop or something similar.

Add my number to your mobiledevice and I will do my best to help you out in case of emergency.

(http://varadero.skye.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/visitkort.png)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Bruvex on May 06, 2014, 09:15:20: Super Gesture Skye!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on May 06, 2014, 10:10:02: I'm getting more- and more in the mood...! Its about time...
Me thinks, me only did a poor 500 km this year so its time to give the mileage on the Dero a boost! ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on May 06, 2014, 10:52:05: Great service Skye!
Thanks a lot :)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Nugget on May 06, 2014, 11:29:09: Talking about Toll:

Although we are not planning, but in case ... there is bike toll for bikes on the motorway (and the little roads with the little black line on the map).

We read you can pay a deposit with the credit card, then you only need to drive through the automatic line at the toll section.
And the rest will then be payed back.

is that correct?

nugget
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 06, 2014, 12:38:41: Thank you Magnus, I've put your number on Whatsapp since month ! ;)

@ Nugget: think it's written some where here that motorbike don't have to pay tolls... Perhaps on small (one black line) roads
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Nugget on May 06, 2014, 13:18:44: ok
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Nugget on May 06, 2014, 13:25:26: http://www.avd.de/startseite/recht-wissen/verkehrsvorschriften/ausland/mautgebuehren-im-ausland/mautgebuehren-in-norwegen/ (http://www.avd.de/startseite/recht-wissen/verkehrsvorschriften/ausland/mautgebuehren-im-ausland/mautgebuehren-in-norwegen/)

the left column indicates the motorbike prices for Roads - I guess the E... are Motorways, or?
nugget
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on May 06, 2014, 13:57:44: @Zebulon and Nugget. From 2012 mopeds and motorcycles are free from toll in Norway. A private owned road to a seightseing point can be a fee for enterance.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on May 06, 2014, 15:07:37: Quote from: Nugget on May 06, 2014, 13:25:26
http://www.avd.de/startseite/recht-wissen/verkehrsvorschriften/ausland/mautgebuehren-im-ausland/mautgebuehren-in-norwegen/ (http://www.avd.de/startseite/recht-wissen/verkehrsvorschriften/ausland/mautgebuehren-im-ausland/mautgebuehren-in-norwegen/)

the left column indicates the motorbike prices for Roads - I guess the E... are Motorways, or?
nugget

Hi Barbara,

The header of that page suggest that it was build... In 1999. It seems that the Automobiel Club Deutschland isn't quit up-to-date... Perhaps ADAC is the better option... ;)

Picture says even more... ;)

On some privat roads, an 'passage fee' can be obligatory though!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Nugget on May 06, 2014, 15:17:28: that explains it ! ;D
Thx
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Bønne on May 06, 2014, 21:27:17: Quote from: Nugget on May 06, 2014, 13:25:26
http://www.avd.de/startseite/recht-wissen/verkehrsvorschriften/ausland/mautgebuehren-im-ausland/mautgebuehren-in-norwegen/ (http://www.avd.de/startseite/recht-wissen/verkehrsvorschriften/ausland/mautgebuehren-im-ausland/mautgebuehren-in-norwegen/)

the left column indicates the motorbike prices for Roads - I guess the E... are Motorways, or?
Well, these tolls are not generally roadtolls. They are tolls for specific road constructions, e.g. tunnels or bridges and it´s right, looking at their websites, most of the tolls are abolished. And not only for motorcycles, but for all vehicles.
But not all of them, it seems that the Sykkylvsbrua (bridge) still has a toll.

It has to do with the building of these equipments, the money to build them are borrowed and the toll goes to pay the money back. So, when the loan is payed back, then the toll is abolished, and therefore it is not generally from one specific date or year, but individual when the toll stops. That means too, that there can still be new tolls when building new tunnels, bridges etc.

The norweigians must correct me if i´m wrong ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 06, 2014, 21:43:29: In France it would be like this but we are still paying for years and most expensive each year :'(
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Hege71 on May 07, 2014, 00:35:25: THX Skye!
I saved your number. ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on May 07, 2014, 04:50:02: Many of you will come into Norway at the Norwegian/Swedish border at Svinesund bridge.
There it's a toll plaza just alike most of the Norwegian plazas, but bikes should use the lane with the AutoPass sign for free.

However. Appx 1000 meters further, you will meet the Norwegian customs. Probably with lowered barriers across the road, which force you to ride through the customs garage.
Bikers usually don't get stopped, but the customs officers will look at you with their stone faces.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Pixi314 on May 09, 2014, 11:06:54: Good News! The Trollstigen road is now opened for the season :D
http://www.nrk.no/mr/her-vert--trollstigen-opna-1.11706134 (http://www.nrk.no/mr/her-vert--trollstigen-opna-1.11706134)

--Pixi314
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: kjetil on May 09, 2014, 13:37:04: Quote from: Pixi314 on May 09, 2014, 11:06:54
Good News! The Trollstigen road is now opened for the season :D

--Pixi314

Yes and a member of the Norwegian club (OleR) has already run there this year.

http://youtu.be/9ZF1uUgI6Zk (http://youtu.be/9ZF1uUgI6Zk)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on May 09, 2014, 16:53:17: Trollstigen is calmer than ever... Nice Video Ole R

For you who are interested getting more acquaintence with:

Sweden:
Channel 4 Scandimania 1of3 Sweden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZIK5plHg4w#ws)

Denmark:
Channel 4 Scandimania 2of3 Denmark (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ulzDzMNJM#ws)

Norway:
Channel 4 Scandimania 3of3 Norway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECT031u82NA#ws)

watch this series from Channel 4
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on May 09, 2014, 19:02:58: These vids are making me hungry. Hungry for the VCIM.

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on May 11, 2014, 20:12:28: Quote from: Snurrepus on May 07, 2014, 04:50:02
Many of you will come into Norway at the Norwegian/Swedish border at Svinesund bridge.
There it's a toll plaza just alike most of the Norwegian plazas, but bikes should use the lane with the AutoPass sign for free.

However. Appx 1000 meters further, you will meet the Norwegian customs. Probably with lowered barriers across the road, which force you to ride through the customs garage.
Bikers usually don't get stopped, but the customs officers will look at you with their stone faces.

Motorcycles are toll free at Norway. Is there a general rule how to behave at toll booths. Simply go through or what?

What´s about Sweden?

Thanks for your education.

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Bønne on May 11, 2014, 21:17:06: Seems like Grotli has been opened too now, as it´s not on the list from "Statens Vegvesen" (State Road Department, or so in english), of closed roads anymore :).
That´s on the way from Lom to Geiranger, road 15/63:

https://www.google.dk/maps/place/Grotli+H%C3%B8yfjellshotell/@62.0042401,7.8738362,10z/data= (https://www.google.dk/maps/place/Grotli+H%C3%B8yfjellshotell/@62.0042401,7.8738362,10z/data=)!4m2!3m1!1s0x4615b5eb48fdff1f:0xabc4b31526e4d315

Here, the weather forecast for Geiranger:
http://www.yr.no/sted/Norge/M%C3%B8re_og_Romsdal/Stranda/Geiranger/langtidsvarsel.html (http://www.yr.no/sted/Norge/M%C3%B8re_og_Romsdal/Stranda/Geiranger/langtidsvarsel.html)

And the snow situation i Norway:
http://www.senorge.no/index.html?p=senorgeny&st=snow&m=bmNVEGrey%3BMapLayer_swewk%3B&l=en&d=1399831200000&e=-1263090%7C6367740%7C2267178%7C8004180&fh=0%3B2468&lo=0.75 (http://www.senorge.no/index.html?p=senorgeny&st=snow&m=bmNVEGrey%3BMapLayer_swewk%3B&l=en&d=1399831200000&e=-1263090%7C6367740%7C2267178%7C8004180&fh=0%3B2468&lo=0.75)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on May 11, 2014, 23:08:34: @Meine Dicke: Sweden has toll roads. Mostly for rush-hour traffic. Motorcycles are always free. Foreign registred vehicles are also free.
Öresund bridge is the only thing that must be paid. Ferry is an option since it is longer if heading north.

@Bönne: Noticed in google maps that the road was open. Planning earlier was impossible to do a route via 15/63 but now it is working.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on May 12, 2014, 08:51:39: Quote from: Skye on May 11, 2014, 23:08:34
@Meine Dicke: Sweden has toll roads. Mostly for rush-hour traffic. Motorcycles are always free. Foreign registered vehicles are also free.
Öresund bridge is the only thing that must be paid. Ferry is an option since it is longer if heading north.

Thank you Magnus,

but how to behave.
If you have to pay manually there is no problem, there I can talk with the guy.
But if you have only an automatic system to pay, where can I go through without paying. I think there will be barriers to open after payment is don So what?

Sorry may be silly questions but ... I never had been on wheels in Scandinavia.

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on May 12, 2014, 10:22:37: Quote from: meine dicke on May 12, 2014, 08:51:39

If you have to pay manually there is no problem, there I can talk with the guy.
But if you have only an automatic system to pay, where can I go through without paying. I think there will be barriers to open after payment is don So what?

Sorry may be silly questions but ... I never had been on wheels in Scandinavia.

Rainer

There are many examples of toll ways where bikes pay less than cars (or not at all).
In all cases I can remember, either there are manual payment lanes where non car vehicles must go, or (French motorways) the payment device in automatic lanes is able to know the sort of vehicle, and request the toll amount accordingly.

Enjoy Scandinavia, it's much worth it IMO :) despite the beer prices :P

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on May 12, 2014, 11:16:32: Quote from: meine dicke on May 12, 2014, 08:51:39

Thank you Magnus,

But if you have only an automatic system to pay, where can I go through without paying. I think there will be barriers to open after payment is don So what?

Rainer

Tollroads in Sweden can be found in two cities. Stockholm and Gothenburg. It is called Rush-hourtax. A camera highly positioned, taking photos. No booth. Therefor invoices are sent to resident people only.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on May 12, 2014, 15:24:03: Thank you so much Magnus. Sweden is now crystal clear.

For Norway I found this:

Motorcycles and mopeds are not subject to toll,
why their driver / inside the lanes "Auto Pass"
need to use or "subscription".

in:

http://www.norwegen.no/NR/rdonlyres/C60809E1047C4AF48E7BC19448610A8A/70889/5709VegdirAutoPturistbrTYSK1.pdf (http://www.norwegen.no/NR/rdonlyres/C60809E1047C4AF48E7BC19448610A8A/70889/5709VegdirAutoPturistbrTYSK1.pdf)

That means, it is a MUST to use the lane "Auto Pass" with the motorcycle.

Can a Norwegian Comrad confirm this?

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on May 12, 2014, 16:04:44: You can use the manual cashier but time consuming.. as the man behind the counter told me passing Svinesund bridge.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: jackyork on May 12, 2014, 17:09:29: Is 'Svinesund' Bridge 'Pig Dog' or bridge over the Svine' ?

JK
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on May 12, 2014, 17:38:22: Quote from: meine dicke on May 12, 2014, 15:24:03
That means, it is a MUST to use the lane "Auto Pass" with the motorcycle.
Can a Norwegian Comrad confirm this?

That's right, Rainer.
Motorbikes use the AutoPass lanes for free, even the one at Svinesund bridge.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on May 12, 2014, 18:05:39: The Svinesunds bridges. The old in front, the new in foreground.

(http://www.svinesundsforbindelsen.se/images/Vegavgift%20Svinesund.jpg)
Dunno the meaning of and explanation. Sund is a channel, passage. Svine could mean pig or something local name only.

Svinesund is an old traffic passage between Norway and Sweden. In 1658 the first ferry berth was build and the first car was ferry rowed across the sound in 1906. Since then the progresses have escalated in a roaring speed. The construction of a bridge - Svinesund's Bridge - began in 1939 April 1 and was completed and opened for traffic in 1946. This bridge is still in use and has got the appellation "Old" - but is still going strong.
59 years later (2005), the New Svinesund's Bridge was inaugurated - a welcome relief in the increasing traffic. The commerce across the border had a great influence on the traffic and the old bridge is still supporting a great part of it.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: jackyork on May 12, 2014, 22:13:32: @Skye. Fantastic, Thanks.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Bønne on May 13, 2014, 13:55:24: In Denmark every road is free to ride, no roadpricing.

But, on the two bridges, Storebæltsbroen (The Great Belt Bridge), in the middle of Denmark:

https://www.google.dk/maps/dir/55.2997332,10.8534513/55.3492936,11.0944316/@55.3511461,11.0040022,11z/data= (https://www.google.dk/maps/dir/55.2997332,10.8534513/55.3492936,11.0944316/@55.3511461,11.0040022,11z/data=)!4m3!4m2!1m0!1m0

and Øresundsbroen/tunnel (The Earsound Bridge/Tunnel), to Sweden:

https://www.google.dk/maps/dir/55.6311466,12.6772163/55.5655254,12.8913407/@55.8277427,12.6024932,8z/data= (https://www.google.dk/maps/dir/55.6311466,12.6772163/55.5655254,12.8913407/@55.8277427,12.6024932,8z/data=)!4m3!4m2!1m0!1m0

there are payment.

You can pay by card in the card lane (blue signs), or cash/card in the manual lane (yellow signs):

https://www.google.dk/maps/@55.350006,11.109495,3a,75y,90t/data= (https://www.google.dk/maps/@55.350006,11.109495,3a,75y,90t/data=)!3m5!1e2!3m3!1s2438612!2e1!3e10

The lanes with green signs are for "BroBizz", an electronic chip that automatically opens the bar so that you can go right through and the payment will be taken directly from your bankaccount (this is, of cause, not interesting for tourists, only for people using the bridge regularly). But, although one can use the BroBizz with motorcycles too, you are not allowed to go into the BroBizz lane of security reasons.

As Skye mention, there is also a ferry between Denmark and Sweden, from Helsingør to Helsingborg:

https://www.google.dk/maps/dir/56.0329231,12.616096/56.043338,12.6916737/@55.7016921,12.1831064,9z/data= (https://www.google.dk/maps/dir/56.0329231,12.616096/56.043338,12.6916737/@55.7016921,12.1831064,9z/data=)!4m3!4m2!1m0!1m0

Choosing this is 38 km shorter than to go over the bringe, but instead you have to go a distance in town on both sides, and get on and off the ferry, where the route via the bridge is motorway right through and therefore shorter in time.

And then there is the ferry from Puttgarden, Germany to Rødby, Denmark, I think most of you know about that:

https://www.google.dk/maps/dir/54.5026605,11.2281031/54.6543786,11.3508573/@55.2358774,10.678667,8z/data= (https://www.google.dk/maps/dir/54.5026605,11.2281031/54.6543786,11.3508573/@55.2358774,10.678667,8z/data=)!4m3!4m2!1m0!1m0
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on May 14, 2014, 09:56:30: Maybe (don't hope so) some of you will need technical or other assistance on your way :-\

Honda dealers in Southern Norway:

For those of you arriving with the Hirtshals-Kristiansand ferry
Mc-senteret Kristiansand, Dronningensgate 59, 4610 KRISTIANSAND, Tel +47 38092900

For those who arrive over the border at Svinesund
Høiden Mc Senter, Ryggeveien 121, 1570 DILLING, Tel +47 69236040

For those arriving with the ferry to Larvik
Monsterbike as, Kobberviksdalen 93b, 3036 DRAMMEN, Tel +47 32811700
CBP AS, Alexander Kiellandsgt 43, 3716 SKIEN, Tel +47 35584141

Oslo
MC OSLO AS, Grenseveien 69, 0663 OSLO, Tel +47 23039700

Lillehammer
Mc Lillehammer AS, Gudbrandsdalsvn. 203, 2619 LILLEHAMMER, Tel +47 61253860

These and other dealers can be found here:
http://www.kellox.no/hjem/forhandler.html (http://www.kellox.no/hjem/forhandler.html)

Skye has already given you his number for assistance in Sweden.
My mobile number is +47 41649540
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on May 18, 2014, 12:28:28: Yesterday the road to Lysebotn opened.
Lysebotn 17 Mai 2014 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-XwWITE6g#ws)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 18, 2014, 19:28:20: How "high" was the temperature? :o
Not a V-Twin noise ... :D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on May 18, 2014, 19:45:49: http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Rogaland/Forsand/Lysebotn_Turisthytte/forecast.pdf (http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Rogaland/Forsand/Lysebotn_Turisthytte/forecast.pdf)

http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/M%C3%B8re_og_Romsdal/Stranda/Geiranger/forecast.pdf (http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/M%C3%B8re_og_Romsdal/Stranda/Geiranger/forecast.pdf)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on May 18, 2014, 20:00:30: WOW!
Must be a stunning experience, riding between those snow-walls!
I really wonder if this will still the case in two-three weeks time ::)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on May 18, 2014, 20:06:44: Quote from: zebulon on May 18, 2014, 19:28:20
How "high" was the temperature? :o

I would recommend to use full winter gear when riding these kind of mountainroads :)
Heated grips will be a nice accessoire too!

Had no regrets wearing wintergear when I crossed the mountains from Sweden to Norway last year july, using my heated grips at almost maximum power :-\
It can be cold up there!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on May 21, 2014, 14:16:30: Quote from: zebulon on May 18, 2014, 19:28:20
How "high" was the temperature? :o
Not a V-Twin noise ... :D

I don't know what kind of bike this is.
I found the video on YouTube..
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 21, 2014, 14:46:59: Flat-twin motor , like à 2CV Citroën 😀
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on May 21, 2014, 15:15:16: Quote from: zebulon on May 21, 2014, 14:46:59
Flat-twin motor , like à 2CV Citroën 😀

Perhaps it's even (as 2CV was) air cooled! ;D
What an outdated technology! (I don't mean the car, a classic) ;D

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 25, 2014, 13:16:42: Hi autochtone

can some one explain me at what time I can take a ferry from Tau to Stavanger on 2 june ? (with the bike! ;D )
I'm not sure what I see :o
Thank you !
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on May 25, 2014, 14:11:11: Zebulon: Ferry leaves 28 times per day. So I think it is just to pass the cue-line of cars and drive omboard when you arrive to Tau.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 25, 2014, 15:00:34: Thx, I wasn't sure they all take bikes or cars ... ;) better way than coming back down to Grandfjorden? (route 13)
Think better way under Bergen is to take E39 instead of road49 (only one ferry) ? you can confirm?
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Snurrepus on May 25, 2014, 19:50:36: Zebulon.
All the ferries takes bikes and cars.
Don't be afraid to take a few ferries. They use to go very frequently.
The best way to find out, is to Google the names of the two piers. You'll find them on Google maps.
Then you will get a link to the ferry route.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Two Plugs on May 26, 2014, 21:07:31: Quote from: Snurrepus on May 25, 2014, 19:50:36
Zebulon.
All the ferries takes bikes and cars.

Sure? ;)

(http://www.bd.nl/polopoly_fs/1.1210314.1348311140!image/image-1210314.JPG)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 26, 2014, 22:07:44: Do not scare me !!! ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on May 27, 2014, 12:51:15: Just a couple of days and wify and me will be on our way!
;D
Already packing and making last preparations.

Have planned to ride the Jotunheimvegen on thursday 5th june.
Can any local please confirm that this road is open next week?
Can't find recent data on the web.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: kjetil on May 27, 2014, 14:16:58: Quote from: Madero on May 27, 2014, 12:51:15
Have planned to ride the Jotunheimvegen on thursday 5th june.
Can any local please confirm that this road is open next week?
Can't find recent data on the web.

The road usually opens around 20th of June and closes in October depending on weather and snow conditions.
http://www.visitnorway.com/uk/product/?pid=127394 (http://www.visitnorway.com/uk/product/?pid=127394)

Last year they open the road on Friday.7. June.
http://www.espedalenbygdealmenning.no/artikkelarkiv/44-jotunheimvegen-%C3%A5pner-7-juni.html (http://www.espedalenbygdealmenning.no/artikkelarkiv/44-jotunheimvegen-%C3%A5pner-7-juni.html)

Unfortunately, I can not find any place that says the road is open for the season. :-[
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on May 27, 2014, 14:53:39: Thanks Kjetil!
Let's keep our fingers crossed it is open!
I presume there will be a sign or beam at Bygdin when it's closed. If so, I'll stay on the 51/257 to Skabu.
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Jyrays on May 27, 2014, 16:21:18: I was in Col du Mont Cenis at Saturday 8)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 27, 2014, 19:20:31: Quote from: Jyrays on May 27, 2014, 16:21:18
I was in Col du Mont Cenis at Saturday 8)

You can post it on french forum, there is a special "col" thread ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 27, 2014, 19:26:14: New tires & brakes pads on the bike; polished boots; lights & mirrors cleaned; the luggages are quietly almost ready
VCIF_a040hae VCIF_a040hae VCIF_a040hae We're leaving home tomorrow Due North !!! VCIF_a040hae VCIF_a040hae VCIF_a040hae

CU soon friends ! VCIF_a025
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Skye on May 27, 2014, 19:37:03: Don't forget cleaning visor. Sun is standing low. Ride Safe. See you in Geiranger

Bon Voyage!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 27, 2014, 20:33:01: the visor is ok for instance ... but sure I will cross some mosquitos & other flying beast !!! ;)

25°C and blue sky for the beginning of the travel ...
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Freddy on May 27, 2014, 20:48:23: Here in southern Norway is the sky without clouds, and it is 24 degrees at 20:00. The weather will be the same all week. So let's hope that next week will be the same weather as today.

Drive carefully.

8) 8)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 27, 2014, 20:58:09: Quote from: Freddy on May 27, 2014, 20:48:23
Here in southern Norway is the sky without clouds, and it is 24 degrees at 20:00. The weather will be the same all week. So let's hope that next week will be the same weather as today.

Drive carefully.

8) 8)

Perfect for me !!! VCIF_a040hae I've took skiing clothes in case ...
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Freddy on May 27, 2014, 21:12:21: It is not long since I took this picture.

;D ;D
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: meine dicke on May 27, 2014, 23:01:42: My way to Geiranger will first lead me to the German Varadero Meeting near the German-Switzerland boarder and then direct from there up to the polar bears.

Greetings from the South of Germany

I'm happy to meet you all at Geiranger.

Rainer
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Madero on May 27, 2014, 23:26:18: Quote from: zebulon on May 27, 2014, 19:26:14
New tires & brakes pads on the bike; polished boots; lights & mirrors cleaned; the luggages are quietly almost ready
VCIF_a040hae VCIF_a040hae VCIF_a040hae We're leaving home tomorrow Due North !!! VCIF_a040hae VCIF_a040hae VCIF_a040hae

CU soon friends ! VCIF_a025

Have a safe ride, enjoy the trip and see you in Geiranger (or somewhere else in Norway along the way)!
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: Blacksmith on May 27, 2014, 23:42:47: we wish all visitors a safe, dry and pleasant trip to the Geiranger fjord and see you there.
have fun and keep the rubber on the tarmac!
cu
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 28, 2014, 20:31:29: First day done; nice twisted roads in Ardèche, then vallée du Rhône with his wine trees and castles. Then large around Lyon, we are quiet in Switzerland .... We.re getting closer to Geiranger ;)
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: JosepM on May 28, 2014, 21:14:33: Quote from: zebulon on May 28, 2014, 20:31:29
First day done; nice twisted roads in Ardèche, then vallée du Rhône with his wine trees and castles. Then large around Lyon, we are quiet in Switzerland .... We.re getting closer to Geiranger ;)

Roads in Ardèche. Hopefully still UNrepaired ;) (note: this is a department where, unlike Zebulon's Herault, they arrange roads after spring with LOTS of loose gravel! >:( )
Lyon. A couple of years ago I felt "nostalgical" and went through the "old motorway" by the city center. No more, I promise! ;)
Switzerland. Last time I was there, they gave me some mere 1.1 francs per euro. After a coupe of days, we decided that the French Jura was as nice to see as the Swiss side! ;D

Geiranger. Enjoy the trip before it. Keep in mind that when you'll finally get there, you'll have already seen "fossen" and "fjell" and "fjord" galore! :)

What envy!

Josep
Title: Re: The way to Geiranger
Post by: zebulon on May 28, 2014, 21:29:24: We stay on fine roads without gravel 😀 (yes very rare in Ardèche 😃 )
We keep very large from Lyon 😉
We stay in France and just go in Switzerland to buy gazoline ...