UPDATE: 2018 Africa Twin Adventure Sports!

[Two Plugs]

@Two Plugs - this is probably a good bike for you after White has done her duties. I'm still not sure about the suspension on it, I'd keep the Ohlins you just fitted to White and put it on this bike if you ever bought it.

I've made all the changes I need to my bike other than fuel range and this is coming. The thing I like about the Camel fuel solution, apart from it giving the AT a marginally larger fuel capacity over this new bike, is that I only fill the auxiliary tank when I need it.

Mighty White still has a long live ahead with me But maybe, sometime in near future, I will win the jackpot in the Dutch State Lottery and buy the Twinny and keep Mighty White as well, lol. 
For the moment , the new car already punched a hole in my savings... Not a hole I regret, far from that, by the way... 

But the announced price in France (see posting Gilles) looks like I have to buy the bike over there. Those are the prices of a 'normal' CRF1000L in The Netherlands (starts at just below 16.000,-... )

[zebulon]

<discution about AT prices have been moved here >

 

[aboynamedsue]

It's nice to hear what everyone would like on the new Africa Twin, larger tank (check), tubeless rims (check) maybe also ask Honda for a 1100 VTwin engine and they might start producing Varaderos again.  If only Carlsberg did bikes.

  VARADERO

[Two Plugs]

It's nice to hear what everyone would like on the new Africa Twin, larger tank (check), tubeless rims (check) maybe also ask Honda for a 1100 VTwin engine and they might start producing Varaderos again.  If only Carlsberg did bikes.

  VARADERO

Being a BIG Vtwin admirer myselves... Have you actually had an extended testride on the CRF1000?
The Africa Twin's parallel twin really acts, behaves, sounds and feels like a Vtwin. The ingeneer who designed this engine, was actually brilliant in my modest opinion!

[Bønne]

The Africa Twin's parallel twin really acts, behaves, sounds and feels like a Vtwin.

That´s because they are both 270/450 degrees ignition timing. Of cause there´s a difference in the mechanical forces of a 90 degree V-twin and a line engine, but the sound and the characteristic is very similar.

The V-twin in the old Africa Twin/TransAlp/XLV/NTV/VT and Shadow models are 52 degrees between the cylinders and 76 degrees between the con rod bearings on the crankshaft, which gives an ignition timing of 232/488 degrees. That´s why these engines have quite a different engine characteristic (and sound), compared to the Varadero/CRF engines.

[Two Plugs]

Check, Bonne. But thats the same as comparing the 'old' 52 degrees engine with the Varadero's 90 degrees engine, or, in my case, the 45 degrees XLV750R engine.

[Bønne]

Yeah, that´s exactly my point, you cannot compare the old Africa Twin engine to the CRF or the Varadero engine, but because of the ignition timing the CRF and the Varadero engines are closer to each other in characteristic, despite the different constructions.

By the way, I wasn´t aware that the XLV engine is 45 degrees, I thought it was 52 degrees too. Looking it up, I found that it also has 90 degrees between the con rod bearings, which means it must be 225/495 ignition timing, as I asume it´s not 135/585

[zebulon]

Adventure Sport AT presentation in spain; sure in french but you can use English subtitles

 

[varonda]

Was looking at one in the flesh the other day -- it's stunning to say the least and one probable issue I could see people having is
 the same as we have now, and that is wheel spokes --even on the new, out of the box bike in the showroom, I the spokes had a roughness about them , it will be interesting to see how they perform. On things like that you get the impression that the bean counters have made the decisions ,and I think that the Big H are being a bit '' penny wise and pound foolish '' . In saying that, if MY bean counter [ the wife ! ] said yes ,I'd have one in a heartbeat.

[Jyrays]

[Jyrays]

[Djairouks]

Well It's great they make some kind of bigger AT, though I must be the only one who doesn't want it, honestly for travelling long distances on all kinds of terrain, I prefer my 2017 model with less electronics, really who needs 3 ride modes the throttle on these AT is so user friendly, better have much less possibility of failure !
Bigger tank is nice but honestly 400 km is already enough for me, I prefer having an external fuel container that I can fill or not, depending on what happens and save weight.

I'm not an experienced off-roader, so longer suspensions I guess I wouldn't feel the difference, 7 level traction control good but no problems with the 3 level one, again I think for my technical level it's not required, I just would love a cruise control on mine which strangely they didn't add with the ride by wire, pretty weird Honda !

[Jyrays]

Well It's great they make some kind of bigger AT, though I must be the only one who doesn't want it, honestly for travelling long distances on all kinds of terrain, I prefer my 2017 model with less electronics, really who needs 3 ride modes the throttle on these AT is so user friendly, better have much less possibility of failure !
Bigger tank is nice but honestly 400 km is already enough for me, I prefer having an external fuel container that I can fill or not, depending on what happens and save weight.

I'm not an experienced off-roader, so longer suspensions I guess I wouldn't feel the difference, 7 level traction control good but no problems with the 3 level one, again I think for my technical level it's not required, I just would love a cruise control on mine which strangely they didn't add with the ride by wire, pretty weird Honda !

Maybe XR650L will be better for you?   

[Djairouks]

Well It's great they make some kind of bigger AT, though I must be the only one who doesn't want it, honestly for travelling long distances on all kinds of terrain, I prefer my 2017 model with less electronics, really who needs 3 ride modes the throttle on these AT is so user friendly, better have much less possibility of failure !
Bigger tank is nice but honestly 400 km is already enough for me, I prefer having an external fuel container that I can fill or not, depending on what happens and save weight.

I'm not an experienced off-roader, so longer suspensions I guess I wouldn't feel the difference, 7 level traction control good but no problems with the 3 level one, again I think for my technical level it's not required, I just would love a cruise control on mine which strangely they didn't add with the ride by wire, pretty weird Honda !

Maybe XR650L will be better for you?   

OMG I would die with my 1m83 on such a small bike and no world travel with that thanks 

[Jyrays]

Well It's great they make some kind of bigger AT, though I must be the only one who doesn't want it, honestly for travelling long distances on all kinds of terrain, I prefer my 2017 model with less electronics, really who needs 3 ride modes the throttle on these AT is so user friendly, better have much less possibility of failure !
Bigger tank is nice but honestly 400 km is already enough for me, I prefer having an external fuel container that I can fill or not, depending on what happens and save weight.

I'm not an experienced off-roader, so longer suspensions I guess I wouldn't feel the difference, 7 level traction control good but no problems with the 3 level one, again I think for my technical level it's not required, I just would love a cruise control on mine which strangely they didn't add with the ride by wire, pretty weird Honda !

Maybe XR650L will be better for you?   

OMG I would die with my 1m83 on such a small bike and no world travel with that thanks 

Seat height 37' (940 mm) 

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_xr650l%20%2002.htm