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Honda VFR1200X Crosstourer - Honda's biggest Adventure Tourer => Crosstourer warranty issues & Honda recalls => Topic started by: Two Plugs on December 18, 2015, 11:43:42

Title: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: Two Plugs on December 18, 2015, 11:43:42: @ All,
There are some rumours spreading around about a pending recall for the CT, issues with the shaft drive. It is - however not yet officially announced by Honda - confirmed through our contacts which we consider reliable.

The recall covers a VIN range, which at least the VFR1200X, model year 2013, falls into.

I'm not sure how many bikes world wide are involved, but it will be announced in the new year (2016). My understanding is current models being sold are not affected, but earlier models are.

Please let us know in reply to this posting, as you have received the official announcement.
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: italy1 on December 18, 2015, 12:01:03: Thank you for this Bernard,

I am on the facebook group for the Crosstourer Italy and it would seem from their posting that the recall has already been published on some government official gazette....there are also some posts about some bikes having actually suffered real breakages of the final drive, which is not something you want at the back of your mind while cruising on a busy motorway....... if this is all true, I hope Honda deals with it as swiftly as possible. I'll stick to my lardy Vara for the time being :-)

Happy festive season to everyone .... :)
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: JosepM on December 18, 2015, 13:36:23: http://www.honda.co.jp/recall/151203_3709.html (http://www.honda.co.jp/recall/151203_3709.html) (in Japanese)

Approximate translation (courtesy from user Skids in http://www.vfrdiscussion.com (http://www.vfrdiscussion.com) )
"In the yoke joint portion of the propeller shaft , since the shape of the housing that holds the caulking pressure and bearing of bearing dropout prevention is inappropriate , bearing internal There are those that worn by the heat and high load due to friction at the time of traveling . Therefore , continuing the running intact , York joint damage , in the worst case , you can become impossible traveling , propeller shaft is to interfere with the swing arm , the rear wheel there is a risk of lock ."

Bikes affected to date:- (Bing translation)
Recall of the VFR1200F, VFR1200X (notification 12/3/2015)
Recall notification number 3709
Recall start date 12/4/2015 -> that's December!
Defect parts (part number) power transmission equipment (propeller shaft)
Standards non-compliance status to the structural finds,
Equipment or performance condition and its causes
Yoke joint propeller shaft there are because the shape of the housing, to maintain pressure and bearing and fasten the bearing through the prevention of inappropriate heat caused by friction during driving and high load bearing internal wear. As a result, you may yoke joint is damaged and keep the vehicle in its entirety, or undrivable and worst case, propeller shaft and interfere with the swing arm, rear wheel to lock.
Replace the products your propeller shaft of the improvement measures. However, York Joint malfunction is confirmed and takes time to supply products that, as an interim measure for the time being, the propeller shaft check out what the new replace the propeller shaft.

Honda
EBL-SC63 VFR1200F
SC63-1000020-SC63-1001061
3/2/2010-12/9/2010 1042
SC63-1100001-SC63-1100326
1/20/2011-1/17/2012 326
SC63-1200011-SC63-1200177
2/20/2012-10/31/2012 167
SC63-1300001-SC63-1300206
11/6/2012-7/13/2015 206

EBL-SC70 VFR1200X
SC70-1000005-SC70-1000115
2/20/2014-9/2/2015 111

(Total 2) (Two models)
(Scope of the entire production life cycle)
3/2/2010-9/2/2015 (1852 bikes)
---------------------------------------------------------------

I understand mine is not affected. It's a VFR1200XD (different final transmission) and its seven last VIN figures are not in that range.

Josep
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: MrKiwi on December 18, 2015, 17:17:16: Thanks. Mine is affected.

I have spoken with the distributor who confirmed I will be officially notified in the new year. I have low miles on my CT, less than 16000 kms.

I didn't realise Honda Japan had already announced the recall. Nice to know this is limited to only 111 CT's worldwide. Looking on the bright side, at least I won't require a service on the drive shaft for quite sometime after the recall.
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: aboynamedsue on December 18, 2015, 19:53:27: It's hard to beat the old chain and sprockets.
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: Jasper on December 19, 2015, 03:35:05: Tough news, but I suppose it's better to know now rather than find out later ...who was talking about gremlins? :-X
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: aboynamedsue on December 19, 2015, 11:35:05: ssshhhhhhhhhh Don't mention the gremlins.
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: Jyrays on December 23, 2015, 19:00:34: I will change mine before recall comes, so it is my dealers job :)
Title: Call back by Honda
Post by: zebulon on February 12, 2016, 08:18:34: Seems most of the CT's are called back by Honda in France . A problem which can block the gimbal (cardan) :-\
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: MrKiwi on February 12, 2016, 12:48:10: What is the gimbal?
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: JosepM on February 12, 2016, 12:50:52: More info here ::)

http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?topic=1214.0 (http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?topic=1214.0)

Regards,

Josep
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: Jyrays on February 12, 2016, 13:53:05: I also got letter for drive shaft inspection
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: biker76 (Mr calva ) on February 12, 2016, 18:10:27: Hello I must also go to Honda for the gimbal .
my CT 80 000 km no problem
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: zebulon on February 12, 2016, 21:41:09: Quote from: MrKiwi on February 12, 2016, 12:48:10
What is the gimbal?

drive shaft; sorry I've previously only found this translation ... :-/
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: Varareco on February 12, 2016, 22:23:57: Quote from: zebulon on February 12, 2016, 21:41:09
Quote from: MrKiwi on February 12, 2016, 12:48:10
What is the gimbal?

drive shaft; sorry I've previously only found this translation ... :-/

A gimbal for example is how a ships compass is mounted to give X and Y rotation.
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: SB on February 13, 2016, 00:33:18: I think the clue is in "cardan"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_joint
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: MrKiwi on February 13, 2016, 02:00:22: Ah, the universal joint in the drive shaft. Yes I have a letter for this too. It is for a VIN set covering about two and a half years production I think.
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: zebulon on February 13, 2016, 08:23:23: Quote from: SB on February 13, 2016, 00:33:18

I think the clue is in "cardan"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_joint

I have proposed "cardan " but not sure we can say and understand in English ....
Thx ;)
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: biker76 (Mr calva ) on February 13, 2016, 13:49:55: I return to my Honda dealer , he changed the Cardan !!
In September it will change me again Cardan by the new generation that is currently being tested .
cardan costs € 1790 !!!
I arrived home at 9:15 Honda and went a recess 11:00 invoice from 00 €

new gimbal
(http://www.fotonet.fr/photo/201602/14553631391.jpg) (http://www.fotonet.fr)

former gimbal
(http://www.fotonet.fr/photo/201602/14553631395.jpg) (http://www.fotonet.fr)
(http://www.fotonet.fr/photo/201602/14553631393.jpg) (http://www.fotonet.fr)
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: JosepM on February 13, 2016, 14:04:39: Was anything wrong with the old one?
Is your VIN between 000005 and 000115 (the numbers subject to the recall in the other thread)?

Greetings

Josep
Title: Re: Call back by Honda
Post by: Two Plugs on February 13, 2016, 23:36:42: Quote from: JosepM on February 12, 2016, 12:50:52
More info here ::)

http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?topic=1214.0 (http://www.vci-forum.com/index.php?topic=1214.0)

Regards,

Josep

Correctly quoted by Josep, so topics are merged to avoid double postings.
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: JosepM on February 14, 2016, 20:26:01: Grisou, member of the French forum, has posted there this letter. It's the one all French Crosstourer riders (plus maybe some Finnish ;) ) seem to have received.

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/285455CourrierHonda.jpg)

"In order to guarantee your safety and you can go on enjoying your bike, we have decided not to wait until the definitive [newly designed shaft drive] part is available. Then the repair will be done in two phases.

First phase, already active, is to let your dealer verify your transmission and, if necessary, replace your shaft drive by a new one. To do so, please set up an appointment as soon as possible with your dealer (see list and locations in honda.fr).

Second phase will take place in the second trimester 2016, when we will have already received the parts with the final modifications, so that they can be installed on your bike. When this second phase is active, you will receive a new letter to invite you to set up a new appointment with your dealer."

[The above is a translation done using my limited skills ;) ]

Greetings,

Josep
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: Varareco on February 14, 2016, 21:36:01: Quote from: JosepM on February 14, 2016, 20:26:01

[The above is a translation done using my limited skills ;) ]

Greetings,

Josep

Better than Google Josep VCIF_ThumbUp
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: MrKiwi on February 15, 2016, 12:54:03: Parts have arrived for the recall on my Crosstourer.
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: Jyrays on February 16, 2016, 21:05:19: I sold mine...
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: JosepM on February 18, 2016, 18:18:33: I have just received a letter from the Spanish Ministery of Internal Affairs (at first I thought it would be, as usual, a ticket :P ) on behalf of Honda.

They (Honda) tell me essentially the same thing about two phases as in the above French letters (the Ministery tells me some bulls**t about I must ride carefully and check the tyre pressure and... >:( ). The actual text and some fine print make me think that both (French and Spanish) come from the same source (Honda Europe).

Anyway, they tell me I have to contact the nearest dealer (some 50 km from home). Depending on their answer, I think I won't bother phase 1 and just wait for phase 2 (you know, I don't feel like wasting one morning of my time).

Greetings,

Josep
Title: Re: Recall VFR1200X (Shaft drive, early models)
Post by: JosepM on July 15, 2016, 16:34:34: Finally I went through the two phases.
I had the shaft drive checked a few months ago and fully replaced this morning.

In the 110 km ridden I must say I noticed something different: noises gone by.
When the bike reached slowly the point where the dwarves downshift it made noises like they were downshifting and upshifting, without changing gear at all. These "hesitation" noises exist no more, and I'd swear that the noise of shifting is reduced as well.

As to dynamically, she runs as smooth as ever.

Greetings

Josep