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Welcome to the Honda Adventure Riders Forum - Introduce Yourself and News Facts => News from Honda => Topic started by: Two Plugs on November 04, 2014, 10:49:23
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UPDATE JULY 24th, 2015: Techspecs and new video material is released, the bikes are revealed in their definitive shape.
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UPDATE May 12th, 2015: Honda has now officially announced the new AFRICA TWIN for 2015.
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From Honda:
True Adventure Prototype
The second prototype on display is the True Adventure Prototype. Inspired by both Honda’s fantastic heritage in adventure motorcycling and our recent Dakar programme, the True Adventure Prototype captures the product direction as Honda seeks to expand its presence in the Adventure segment. This prototype has been developed to deliver outstanding off-road capability, and could provide the basis of a true round-the-world motorcycle. It’s flanked by the current Team HRC CRF450 Rally and, paying respect to Honda’s competition legacy, the 1989 Paris-Dakar winning NXR Africa Twin ridden by Gilles Lalay.
No further technical details or information on either the road going RC213V-S Prototype or True Adventure prototype are available at this time.
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(http://www.transalpclub.nl/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9736.0;attach=19264;image)
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Small disks, parallel twin, ugly overall design, uncomfortable seat, small tank ... that's what I think about F800. ;)
Let's see what this new AT is like! :)
Josep
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Josep... it still is a prototype, more or less a mockup of the real production bike. You can't judge it on this first appearances.
For me: this is far more a true successor to the late XL1000V Varadero than the VFR1200X Crosstourer ever will be.
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/10708501_10204251476958872_4070591697888302066_o.jpg)
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Something to work with, that's at least promising...
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Josep... it still is a prototype, more or less a mockup of the real production bike. You can't judge it on this first appearances.
For me: this is far more a true successor to the late XL1000V Varadero than the VFR1200X Crosstourer ever will be.
Prototype? ??? At first sight, parts like the screen or the tank look like final designs to me...
Don't you think that a clean one ;D , with trail tyres as only change, will be the official release?
A great looking bike, anyway! Let's see the specs.
Josep
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Agree JospeM. A little pity that Honda follow KTM instead of a sitting tourer for longer travels..
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Think it will be 1000cc with manual and DCT gearbox; sales from September 2015 ... 8)
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It is in my modest opinion nonsense to dislike a concept before anyone of us has seen- or tried the real thing. Wanna have shaft ride? Get a Crosstourer, Super Tenere or GS 1200 and pay apr € 5.000,- more compared with a Varadero-priced bike like Suzuki's DL1000V or Kawa's Versys 1000. In that aspect, the big KTM and especially the Multistrade are HEAVELY overprized. But I have seen nor read a single testrapport on which any of the previous bikes had a bad rating due to the fact that they have chain and sprockets in stead of shaft drive... ;D
If Honda manages to keep the price between € 12.000,- / 13.500,- just looking at the supposed specs, it will be a winner. For sure it makes the overweight and gasgussling VFR1200X Crosstourer to a Dinosaur in one singe stroke.
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Looks like a good copy of my Tenere 660 !
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If it does come up at that price the decision is simple, Super 10.
I thought we all agreed that it is not supossed to compare vs the CrossTourer.... If we have come to that then it means we are lowering expectations....
Everyone is comparing the Crosstourer with the Varadero over here. And it was Honda who stated that the Crosstourer was the 'spiritual' successor of the Varadero.
The new bike is aimed (price) on the same level as the Varadero was.
We don't lower expectations. The Crosstourer is simply over expectated.
The public 'demanded' an Africa Twin revival. And after 11 years, Honda has answered the expectations with the True Adventure concept. Its a little short minded to think that Honda would give you a goldwing with knobby tires cause it would be more comfy on the long run. Honda offers the (new) 2015 VFR800X Crossrunner and the VFR1200X Crosstourer for that purpose, both different priced.
Must admit that I do like the appearance of the new updated 800 Crossrunner. The bike got more mature, and less motorscooter.
The Super10? That is a good bike. Prices start at € 18.000,- in the Netherlands. Running to € 20.000,- if you wanna have it with a little bit of kit. Yeh, good choice...
If this brand new Honda is on the shell for lets say 14.000,- with a few extra's the decision is simple: the Honda. ;D ;)
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In Dutch we have a saying which underlines it perfectly... "Those who fit the shoe, will wear it" ;)
To me it seems that the guys 'n girls at Honda R&D have finally found a fitting shoe. Or two, for that matter.
Pokemi: If you feel addressed as a person by my words, well... for that I am sorry. I have been in the middle of the 'Africa Twin' discussion for the last 15 years it might well be that I am a bit prejudiced, love blinds, that sort of blabla... ;)
Lets wait and see how the real thing is going to be, Gerard. Than - and only than - we can make a proper conclusion how proper 'adventureas' this new bike will be. For the moment, it can have my credits. Even more than my current Varadero. ;D
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http://youtu.be/M-gXpyjwGgg (http://youtu.be/M-gXpyjwGgg)
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http://youtu.be/Oc5Z4BiZwiY (http://youtu.be/Oc5Z4BiZwiY)
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It is in my modest opinion nonsense to dislike a concept before anyone of us has seen- or tried the real thing. Wanna have shaft ride? Get a Crosstourer, Super Tenere or GS 1200 and pay apr € 5.000,- more compared with a Varadero-priced bike like Suzuki's DL1000V or Kawa's Versys 1000. In that aspect, the big KTM and especially the Multistrade are HEAVELY overprized. But I have seen nor read a single testrapport on which any of the previous bikes had a bad rating due to the fact that they have chain and sprockets in stead of shaft drive... ;D
If Honda manages to keep the price between € 12.000,- / 13.500,- just looking at the supposed specs, it will be a winner. For sure it makes the overweight and gasgussling VFR1200X Crosstourer to a Dinosaur in one singe stroke.
Hey, that's no way to talk about my new buy :o lol. But you're right Two Plugs. I wanted a road touring oriented bike with a shaft drive. The CT was a perfect fit. But I'm under no illusions, the CT is no good off tarmac and hard packed gravel routes.
The new AT is designed to be a dirt oriented adventure bike. There's no way you'd put a shaft drive on a bike designed for heavy off road use. I like the direction Honda has taken with this new bike.
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Has anyone noticed it doesn't have a clutch lever !
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Has anyone noticed it doesn't have a clutch lever !
The prototype is DCT but I'm sure a manual gearbox will be available. I like the looks of this bike...
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Hey, that's no way to talk about my new buy :o lol. But you're right Two Plugs. I wanted a road touring oriented bike with a shaft drive. The CT was a perfect fit. But I'm under no illusions, the CT is no good off tarmac and hard packed gravel routes.
The new AT is designed to be a dirt oriented adventure bike. There's no way you'd put a shaft drive on a bike designed for heavy off road use. I like the direction Honda has taken with this new bike.
I would like to share the quote below from ADVrider forum with you guys. It underlines perfectly Mr. Kiwi's post above and the goal which was set by Honda R&D developing this machine:
From some of the photos it looks like the front sprocket is located centered to the swing arm shaft, in a similar manner as some 450/650 BMuu models are constructed. If so, Honda has taken care of the no. 1 issue that owners of the existing Africa Twin have: risk of a worn output shaft due to wrong chain tension.
I would not be surprised if Honda has paid a little extra attention to the regulator/rectifier and the fuel pump as well...
In fact, I believe that Honda has looked a lot on what the owners of the existing Arica Twin wants. Apart from more hp/torque, the design looks very much like what many rebuild projects are trying to achieve; boano-looking fairing, the curve of the exhaust system/silencer and so on. And the main frame looks very XR650R. This could be the ideal mix of those two (dead reliable) bikes!
I have never bought a brand new bike before, but as a present owner of both an xr650r and a xrv750 (africa twin), I will definitly start saving up money.
"You meet the nicest people on a Honda"
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http://youtu.be/Oc5Z4BiZwiY (http://youtu.be/Oc5Z4BiZwiY)
http://youtu.be/6xUewDN9lgY (http://youtu.be/6xUewDN9lgY)
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What's "boano-looking"? ???
Josep
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What's "boano-looking"? ???
Josep
Perhaps http://www.boano.com/index_africa_twin.asp?lingua=eng (http://www.boano.com/index_africa_twin.asp?lingua=eng). :-\
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Lets wait and see how the real thing is going to be, Gerard. Than - and only than - we can make a proper conclusion how proper 'adventureas' this new bike will be. For the moment, it can have my credits. Even more than my current Varadero. ;D
Yep, let's see.
Also I was, probably incorrectly, expecting a final PROD model that would be in shops in weeks rather than months... This much anticipation is a drag quite frankly.
Since Honda is planning a full press trip on the bike(s) soon (within the next 3/4 months or so) I guess pre production models will/must be available. ;)
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Since Honda is planning a full press trip on the bike(s) soon (within the next 3/4 months or so) I guess pre production models will/must be available. ;)
Great! :)
Maybe same location as the CT's? 8) 8) 8)
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Great! :)
Maybe same location as the CT's? 8) 8) 8)
Or perhaps Nant? :o ;D
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Both wrong. Further South. Think Treu Adventure.... ;)
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from my searches this is what I know about the bike:
- 20 L tank
- 21 inch front, 18 inch rear wheels
- 1000cc parallel twin - a new engine from Honda
- about 200kgs with fuel (a very good outcome for a bike this size)
- DCT and manual clutch versions will be available
Bike will be in shows in 2015, probably second or third quarter.
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Both wrong. Further South. Think Treu Adventure.... ;)
Yes, of course, Africa, where else could it be? :) :)
Are you invited this time too? ;)
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Well, after having looked at those pictures and videos since yesterday, I can only find one word to describe this new Honda: WAR!!!
And the fact that Honda introduce it between the NXR and the CRF, and name it "True Adventure", insinuating that all other Adventure-bikes are wannabees, indicate to me that this time Honda are serious; they really want to build the ultimate adventure-bike to drive the shit out of both the BMuu´s, the KTM´s, the Yamaha´s... you name it!
Doing this commits, and puts up some large expectations to the costumers, which I really hope Honda manage to meet when the bike comes for sale in it´s final form.
Comparing it to the CrossTourer makes no sence to me, it´s two totally different bikes (but maybe it will later come in a more "touringfriendly" version, as rumors have said it should be made in four different versions, perhaps the four question marks in Josep´s Montesa-link?).
Should it be compared to another Honda, it should be the old Africa Twin.
But, they don´t actually call it "Africa Twin" yet, but looking at it in close up, there are a lot of solutions that are very close to the old AT, e.g. the frame, it´s contruction behind the engine with the hole through it, very similar to the RD07 frame. And the big square-tube in from of the engine, split into two at the bottom, with a cooler at each side, indicates great faithfulness to the old Africa Twin.
So, if the final solution will really be as superior as the old AT was when it hit the road in 1988, and as the introduction indicates, I can only say: VCIF_a040hae HONDA!!!
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from my searches this is what I know about the bike:
- 20 L tank
- 21 inch front, 18 inch rear wheels
- 1000cc parallel twin - a new engine from Honda
- about 200kgs with fuel (a very good outcome for a bike this size)
- DCT and manual clutch versions will be available
Bike will be in shows in 2015, probably second or third quarter.
- ok with you
- I don't see 21" wheels on the pictures
- as said ... ;)
Think it will be 1000cc with manual and DCT gearbox; sales from September 2015 ... 8)
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Photos confirm they are 21 inch wheels in the picture. On the Adventure Rider forum, a person who attended the show posted pics of the tires. 21 inch front and 18 inch rear.
Further specs known are:
- offroad designed traction control
- offroad designed ABS brakes
- 250mm /9.8 inch suspension
- 180kgs dry
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MR KIWI ..............Keep those updates coming your doing a great job you should be working for Honda promoting this model. Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh, maybe MCN LIVE in the UK, or is that to much to hope for ?
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8) lol. Thanks. I'm been waiting for this model to arrive, but honestly, when the final specs are known it might be hard to choose between the Africa Twin and one of the KTM's. I'm just a keen enthusiast. I'm also following the KTM announcements and updates from a number of the other OEMs. :D
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Se also this link...
http://www.teamhrc.com/rally/news/?race_event_report=3487 (http://www.teamhrc.com/rally/news/?race_event_report=3487)
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Both wrong. Further South. Think Treu Adventure.... ;)
HeheHe.... If it is africa I assume it won't be East Africa, unless Honda is trully looking to up the stakes on the "Adventure" side of things...
East probably safer than west right now........
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I must say, I'm somewhat surprised at the discussion on the Adventure Rider website. This new Africa Twin has generated a lot of debate, multiple threads with endless speculation.
Quite a lot of the commentary is negative and I find that surprising. Here at last Honda, who has been missing from the true adventure market for many years, has finally shown a bike, albeit in prototype guise (although I personally believe this is closer to final market setup than many believe) that will be a serious adventure contender. Yes many questions remain to be answered and there is no confirmation on final specs. I eagerly await details on the bikes specifications, but until then what I do see is exciting.
Mind you, I'm not going to be selling my Crosstourer when this bike comes to the market, as the Crosstourer is aimed at a different market, one that I currently occupy. The comparisons I often use is for cars, we have 4 wheel drive vehicles and then SUV's. SUV's are a soft off-road car, whereas proper 4 wheel drive vehicles are aimed at both the road and serious off road stuff.
The Crosstourer is aimed at the road with limited off-road capabilities, it is the motorbike equivalent of an SUV. This bike is aimed at road duties but can be comfortably ridden off road so long as the roads are reasonably well formed. it's bias is on-road.
The new Africa Twin is a bike oriented for off-road duties than can be ridden on the road. It's bias is off-road.
It's fun watching the debate, each will have their own views. Cheers from downunder 8)
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MrKiwi, I agree with your comments.
This bike is likely to be a great tool for fun! I too am not going to buy one, but just because the main use I expect for my bike nowadays is not what this one is aimed to. I wish I could've afforded such a beast 25 years ago! 8)
Josep
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JOSEPM.............My sentiments exactly......now where did they leave that time machine !
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We have to see what will be declinations, as we have heard about 4 or 5 different versions... 8)
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Lovely bike i'm sure but I'm still waiting to see what Honda is bringing out to replace the Varadero. In a couple of years time when it's time to change, it's looking likely to be a used Varadero with lower mileage. The Crosstourer just isn't for me, especially the scooter version :-\ and this new AT looks the part for Farmer Giles up and down dirt tracks but wouldn't be geared for Irish touring let alone European trips.
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There is no such thing as "4-5" different versions. I haven’t hearing or read anything regarding 4 or even 5 different trims.
According to my information (from what I consider to be a very trusty souce!) Honda is planning only two versions:
1 which will be pure offroad orientated;
1 which will be more 'paved' orientated.
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Also heard 4 different version but more or less how they are equipped. With cases and extra extra..
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TWO PLUGS...SKYE....That sounds about right, no way 4/5 versions market demand would never be great enough.
As stated i think the likelyhood of small detail changes brings these rumours.
No more than 2 versions and even that will be limited to a certain degree by market enthusiasm.
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I must say, I'm somewhat surprised at the discussion on the Adventure Rider website...Quite a lot of the commentary is negative...
Not knowing much about ADVRider, but having a feeling that they are very much BMuu and KTM minded, so the negative comments may occur from fear, as this new Honda might be able to give both manufactores a serious fight.
The Crosstourer is aimed at the road with limited off-road capabilities, it is the motorbike equivalent of an SUV. This bike is aimed at road duties but can be comfortably ridden off road so long as the roads are reasonably well formed. it's bias is on-road.
The new Africa Twin is a bike oriented for off-road duties than can be ridden on the road. It's bias is off-road.
I agree with this, but looking at the new Honda, I can easily imagine it with a slightly wider fairing at the top, a bigger screen and a bit more sidefairing, a more comfortable seat and maybe bigger headlights (looks like it´s been prepared for that :) ). If it will be a 1000 ccm engine, as several rumors have said, then we have a new Varadero!
And what´s wrong about that, the old Africa Twin and TransAlp were both build on the same "platform", the TA as the "SUV" and the AT as the "4-wheel drive", the ofroad bike.
This bike is likely to be a great tool for fun!
I do not agree with this, as I know a lot of AT riders here in Denmark, who uses their AT for daily transport but riding on ofroad tires so they easily can get ofroad if they find an interesting trail on the way. Some of them even go on vacation trips around Europe, still on ofroad tires, so I think there will be a marked for the new one as more than a Fun-bike too.
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I meant to say that this is an exciting new bike! One that looks like great fun in all terrains!
I must admit I am a bit disappointed that the final bike has not been showed. Maybe they had some sort of delay in its development? (TP's reliable source could let us know 8) )
Greetings,
Josep
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Exactly the same process as for the Xtourer. Presentation of a prototype and one year later commercialized with not so much changes.
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I meant to say that this is an exciting new bike! One that looks like great fun in all terrains!
I must admit I am a bit disappointed that the final bike has not been showed. Maybe they had some sort of delay in its development? (TP's reliable source could let us know 8) )
Greetings,
Josep
Spot on, Josep! ;)
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Retail price for VFR800X (Crossrunner) in France is 11 999€ what will be the place for the "New AT" ?
4versions are:
Normal
Sport (Akrapovik + shifter)
Touring (Panniers)
Adventure (Larger Panniers + crashBar + additional lights)
perhaps ways to imagine versions of the future AT ... 8)
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The New Africa Twin thread over at the Adventure Rider website is up to 246 pages already. It's freaking hilarious reading all the speculation.
Two Plugs and I have been enjoying the lunatic speculation of some... 8)
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The New Africa Twin thread over at the Adventure Rider website is up to 246 pages already. It's freaking hilarious reading all the speculation.
Two Plugs and I have been enjoying the lunatic speculation of some... 8)
;D ;D ;)
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(http://www.honda-montesa.es/noticias/Mayo-2015/africa-twin/800/1.jpg)
(http://www.honda-montesa.es/noticias/Mayo-2015/africa-twin/800/2.jpg)
Some blah-blah in Spanish:
http://www.honda-montesa.es/noticias/Mayo-2015/africa_twin.php (http://www.honda-montesa.es/noticias/Mayo-2015/africa_twin.php)
Two rellevant informations: to be sold by the end of 2015, and optional specially designed for offroad users DCT.
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Unfortunately no prototype approved ; I' ve hoped for some test for our next meeting :'(
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looks good. At last...
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more here too...
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/may/new-honda-africa-twin-revealed/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/may/new-honda-africa-twin-revealed/)
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The Africa Twin is back! CRF1000L Africa Twin confirmed for 2015.
Honda is delighted to announce the return of one of motorcycling’s most celebrated and evocative names – the Africa Twin. Having clearly shown the direction of its development and intent with the reveal of the True Adventure prototype at EICMA in November 2014, Honda can now confirm that the all-new CRF1000L Africa Twin will be in dealers across Europe in late 2015.
Some motorcycles encapsulate perfectly what an adventure motorcycle is all about. The original XRV650 Africa Twin – which debuted in 1988, after the first 3 out of 4 consecutive wins at the Paris-Dakar* – was one such machine. Its go-anywhere ability, rugged durability, easy-handling agility and all-day comfort made it the perfect partner with which to explore. And it helped to define a motorcycling segment that has now grown into one of the most popular worldwide. The new Africa Twin remains true to all the attributes and abilities of the XRV650 and its successor the XRV750, while adding the benefits of everything Honda has learnt on and off-road over the last decade, including Team HRC’s return to the Dakar in 2013**.
Furthermore, in a first for the category, the Africa Twin will feature the option of a new evolution of Honda’s Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT) *** technology, which remains unique to Honda in motorcycling. This latest evolution of DCT has been specifically developed and programmed to provide the off-road ability with which the Africa Twin is synonymous.
The all-new CRF1000L Africa Twin is set to redefine expectations of just what a large-capacity adventure motorcycle can and should be capable of, both on and off-road, and opens an entirely new chapter in Honda’s illustrious history of dual-purpose motorcycles made for true adventure.
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(http://www.honda-montesa.es/noticias/Mayo-2015/africa-twin/800/2.jpg)
(https://honda-montesa.es/noticias/Mayo-2015/africa-twin/800/1.jpg)
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*** Honda has sold over 35,000 DCT-equipped machines in Europe since its 2010 introduction and in 2015 more people (53% of the total) have chosen DCT over a standard manual transmission on the models (VFR1200X Crosstourer, VFR1200F, NC750X and NC750S) which feature it as an option. The Africa Twin comes with the option of a new evolution of DCT which includes specific off-road capabilities.
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Re: New VCIF logo competition
« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2015, 21:54:00 »
Years, Rainer, years. Unless you wanna catch your fish in Lake Keemer or Lake Beemer :lol
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8) 8) 8)
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/honda-officially-announces-crf1000l-africa-twin/ (http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/honda-officially-announces-crf1000l-africa-twin/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snNGAn82P5I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snNGAn82P5I)
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Re: New VCIF logo competition
« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2015, 21:54:00 »
Years, Rainer, years. Unless you wanna catch your fish in Lake Keemer or Beemer
VCIF_a_008 VCIF_a_008 VCIF_a_008 VCIF_a055 VCIF_a055 VCIF_a055 VCIF_a025 VCIF_a025 VCIF_a025
I rest my case, Rainer! ;D ;D ;)
But you can be assured that I am as happy as a dog with two willies.... 8) ;D
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Some figures from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CRF1000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CRF1000)
~80 kW (110 hp)
90/90 D21
140/80 R18
~207 kg (456 lb) (dry)
~218 kg (481 lb) (wet)
Read also this source for an explanation of why the placement of its airbox will allow a more off-road riding position.
http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/how-hondas-new-airbox-will-give-the-africa-twin-dirt-b-1589397465 (http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/how-hondas-new-airbox-will-give-the-africa-twin-dirt-b-1589397465)
Greetings,
Josep
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Wiki is just rumors... you must know they will build it in Spain for Europe? 8)
See ya next week!
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1064796&highlight=1000&page=1 (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1064796&highlight=1000&page=1)
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Sorry I prefer if it is build in Italy ... :-\
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Sorry I prefer if it is build in Italy ... :-\
That is the plan according to Honda's global strategy. The Spanish Montesa factory will only be used for light capacity bikes, the Italian plant for the bigger displacement bikes. But Honda has surprised us often ;)
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I spoke today with my dealer, he said wait till October VCIF_a_008
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My understanding is production starts for Europe in the last quarter of this year, for the rest of world in the new year.
It is coming, but not before Christmas for us downunder...
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Some pictures here :
(http://www.motorrevu.hu/img/galery/Motorok-Honda-Africa-Twin-Bernhard-M-Hohne_motorrevu.jpg)
(http://www.motorrevu.hu/img/galery/Motorok-Honda-Africa-Twin-Bernhard-M-Hhne_motorrevu_3.jpg)
and all the others here (http://www.motorrevu.hu/galeriak/honda_africa_twin_bernhard_m_hohne/148608?page=0)
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It looks absolutely SMALL... :'(
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So PERFECT for normal size people 8)
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Which of you 2 is normal ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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:o
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It looks absolutely SMALL... :'(
It looks Tiny! Are you sure this is not a 1:18 scale model?
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So PERFECT for normal size people 8)
You are not normal. You are Finnish. That's sort-off Dutch... ;D ;)
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So dutch are the world standard now? I don't know what hormone food they feed you with but you are the tallest nation in the Europe if not in the world.
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Beware.... As a result of TTIP you too will be forced to eat hormones and start growing again in all three dimensions! You will find that a Goldwing is a dinky toy!
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So dutch are the world standard now? I don't know what hormone food they feed you with but you are the tallest nation in the Europe if not in the world.
those are only exported. To keep us in the lead... Explains it all, eh? ;D
Midgets!
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So dutch are the world standard now? I don't know what hormone food they feed you with but you are the tallest nation in the Europe if not in the world.
It is true that the Dutch are the tallest nation in the world. Reasons are an abnormal high intake of dairy products and our acces to healthcare. Also genetics play a role (the masai as a tribe are the tallest people in the world). The past 10 years the average hight in The Netherlands is dropping as a result of immigration and the mixing of cultures.
When you look at absolute numbers the largest amount of men over 1,90 do not live in The Nerherlands but in Germany. And the countries that are rocketing toqards a higher average are Greece and Italy! So we are not the standard, but neither are the tiny Japanese riders! One would be wise to develop a bike that will suit a larger group of bikers by making it more flexible.
What remains is my temporary conclusion that the offroad oriented new AT is not my kind of motorbike, not only because it is small, but because I use my bike for a different purpose. So I hope there will follow a road oriented version that will be bigger.
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I think this is the more road oriented version, with the seat in the lowest position. The bike is undergoing final product quality control evaluation.
I understand the 50/50 more dirt oriented version is a bit taller 8)
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Very Cool. Thank you for posting that!! ;D
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Went to my dealer today to buy a bike for my U!
Asked as a joke "what about CRF1000?"
Answer "It will be in store at September..." but no tech data or price available yet :(
This is France...
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I will share my opinion when i will see it on flesh VCIF_salut
Do you mean it is too early to start to complain about; uncomfortable seat, poor windscreen, short service intervals, soggy rear suspension, lack of power plug, expensive luggage, etc.? ::)
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I will share my opinion when i will see it on flesh VCIF_salut
Do you mean it is too early to start to complain about; uncomfortable seat, poor windscreen, short service intervals, soggy rear suspension, lack of power plug, expensive luggage, etc.? ::)
Is it so awful Barry? :o
Honda keeps disappoints me. :-[
I guess there is nothing to complain about anymore ...
if you like it , you buy it! If you do not like it ,dont buy it!
This is the new 'moto' for Honda '' take it or leave it ''. They never heard our claims about how we prefer to looks like XLV 1000 Varaderos development ! National communitys claims and efforts + international communitys efforts and the result was '' Crosstourer ''!
Is that what the Varadero owners would wish to have as soon as they would decide replace their Varaderos? Obviously no!
Crosstourer is something very different in comparison with the Dero .
Thank god KTM 1050 adventure or Triumph explorer 1200 or Aprillia Caponord 1200 allows me think that if i ever decide replace my beloved Varadero , i do have options to choose .
Sorry Honda for me after Varadero you are dead!
Greetings
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Time for Honda to release some more specs...
The wait is tedious :o. Fans over at AdVrider are going mental with boredom, although it does make for some interesting reading at times. Two Plugs periodically pops up with sage comments and I got to the point where I now them...
but come on Honda, the wait - gives us a few more crumbs on the bike specs, price etc... 8)
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Think, they prefer people to buy some other brands ... ;D 8)
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I hear July 20 is the next date for release of information. Maybe this time we'll get the full specs? Here's hoping ???
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Do not add much, but ... 8)
https://youtu.be/BIaGK5rZwtE (https://youtu.be/BIaGK5rZwtE)
VCIF_salut
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Hi zebulon
Yes seen that, but good to look at again.
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(http://i61.tinypic.com/2199c11.jpg)
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;D ;D VCIF_ThumbUp
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Ah the NC in AT drag, nice...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI_jaqiHIoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI_jaqiHIoE)
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Your link came up as private.
As did mine when I tried to post it.
Now works - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUYMlH1m_bA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUYMlH1m_bA)
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Whats new? download the video with http://keepvid.com/ (http://keepvid.com/)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCizHWu0gao (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCizHWu0gao)
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Thanks Jyrays - admittedly it very early morning my time and I had not had my first coffee of the day, but your solution works very well.
I like what I see, just waiting on specs now.
Cheers
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Same here... VCIF_varaGrey
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O.M.G! This looks even better than I possibly could imagine. Next September is scheduled for the Press intro in Morocco. Soon after that, we know more. LOVE the WHITE one! VCIF_ok
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This is going to be a long lunchbreak... without visiting our cafetaria... which is rather exceptional for me... LOVE my wide LED screen @ the office!
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11750649_1006685649371559_7973607206522990981_n.jpg?oh=d5f0b2f0c462450f72f40b9ace055c21&oe=5617E855)
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Why is the majority of footage taken from the right hand side ?
The short glimps of a seated rider shows a low seat/high peg configuration thats looks more cramped than the Vara or CT !
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Why is the majority of footage taken from the right hand side ?
The short glimps of a seated rider shows a low seat/high peg configuration thats looks more cramped than the Vara or CT !
The left side must look empty, without these pipes and silencer ;)
We'll see what she's like "comfortwise" ;D
Regards,
Josep
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Specifications now formally released on Honda international website
http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2150724CRF1000L-Africa-Twin/index.html (http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2150724CRF1000L-Africa-Twin/index.html)
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Likes: poweroutput, design. Like the proposed price (12.000,-, depending to local taxes and as predicted by me earlier) even more. Torque is actually the same as on my XL1000V Varadero. Excellent!
Weight is still good. I don't want a <200kg bike for long distance touring which is blown out of its path at every minor breeze of wind. Wel done, Honda. Every one complaining about weight: get a live. Buy the 450 or a crap CB500X.
Only minor two things I am questioning... Looking @ the pics with rider, the knee angle in sitting possition looks rather sharp... can't be comfy on long runns. Valid point, Stewart! And... Honda, Why, why a crap 18L fuel capacity !?!? I get in average 450-500km from my Varadero (last build model, 25L fuel capacity) which puts almost 300kg on the scale without saving on the throttle. Thats the mileage I want from an adventure bike designed for long distance adventure touring. I really can not believe that the new CRF1000 could achieve this, our could even get close.
I still wanna ride it though! At the moment, it has the best cards to replace my current bike. Second best... a low mileage S10.
Specifications now formally released on Honda international website
http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2150724CRF1000L-Africa-Twin/index.html (http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2150724CRF1000L-Africa-Twin/index.html)
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http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/2016-honda-africa-twin-may-not-be-what-we-hoped/ (http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/2016-honda-africa-twin-may-not-be-what-we-hoped/)
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I really wanna see it in a direct test with a last model Varadero, in action as travel bike 2-up. Could be surprising...
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First impressions of the video and of the technical data I've gained.
At the moment I prefer the following conclusion:
1. In the grounds of the videos I take the Vara as well. Maybe not so photogenic, but I'm not a factory rider.
2. The power and torque I have very similar with my Vara. Wherein the course of the power and the torque curve was not yet known.
3. Now the point, my Vara is fuelled with 275 kg heavier than the new AT. In conjunction with No. 1 the AT may be easier to handle off- and as well on-road.
Let's see what will bring the future information and especially the Popo-meter test.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer alias meine dicke
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(http://powersports.honda.com/images/mjp/imgGallery/CRF1000L_AT_IMG1.jpg)
(http://powersports.honda.com/images/mjp/imgGallery/CRF1000L_AT_IMG8.jpg)
(http://powersports.honda.com/images/mjp/imgGallery/CRF1000L_AT_IMG7.jpg)
(http://powersports.honda.com/images/mjp/imgGallery/CRF1000L_AT_IMG3.jpg)
(http://powersports.honda.com/images/mjp/imgGallery/CRF1000L_AT_IMG2.jpg)
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(https://varaderointernational.smugmug.com/Other/varaderoforum/i-T4jn8QX/0/X2/58404_16YM_CRF1000L_Africa_Twin-X2.jpg)
(https://varaderointernational.smugmug.com/Other/varaderoforum/i-GqxBRbN/0/X2/58398_16YM_CRF1000L_Africa_Twin-X2.jpg)
(https://varaderointernational.smugmug.com/Other/varaderoforum/i-bFWZDmR/0/X2/58395_16YM_CRF1000L_Africa_Twin-X2.jpg)
(https://varaderointernational.smugmug.com/Other/varaderoforum/i-hm8gPvC/0/X2/58396_16YM_CRF1000L_Africa_Twin-X2.jpg)
(https://varaderointernational.smugmug.com/Other/varaderoforum/i-rmSc5Wg/0/XL/58386_16YM_CRF1000L_Africa_Twin-XL.jpg)
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Wow, looks great.
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sure does, that is one sexy looking bike... VCIF_ThumbUp
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Alrighty - who's lining up to test ride one of these when they come to the market with a view to buying it.
I've already lined up with the NZ distributor to ride one of these before it even gets to my local dealer VCIF_ThumbUp. New Zealand is not looking to import the DCT version (correction, spoke with the NZ distributor and yes the DCT version is coming to NZ).
Cheers from downunder.
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French prices : http://moto.honda.fr/modeles/moto-trails/honda-africa-twin.html#tarifs (http://moto.honda.fr/modeles/moto-trails/honda-africa-twin.html#tarifs)
TARIFS Africa Twin
* A partir de
Africa Twin ABS
12 999€
Africa Twin ABS-DCT
13 999€
Coloris Rallye ou Tricolore
+ 300€
Tarifs en vigueur au 15.07.2015 dans la limite des stocks disponibles
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In Spain it's from 12700 (nothing else is said)
But this price is for the basic version, without abs or traction control.
What should I buy to replace my Vara?
Greetings,
Josep
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In Spain it's from 12700 (nothing else is said)
But this price is for the basic version, without abs or traction control.
What should I buy to replace my Vara?
Greetings,
Josep
I like the AT, looks like a great bike. Waiting to get an opportunity to throw my leg over one to see how the geometry works for me (size).
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In Spain it's from 12700 (nothing else is said)
But this price is for the basic version, without abs or traction control.
What should I buy to replace my Vara?
Greetings,
Josep
Every single one! ;D Seriously... since you ride 2-up with your lovely wife Consol, I would go for the ABS version in any case.
I like the AT, looks like a great bike. Waiting to get an opportunity to throw my leg over one to see how the geometry works for me (size).
Same here. Still a bit worrying that it might be rather small compared to the Vara though... But hey, I started my bike carrier on a Transalp 600 and ended up owning tree in a row... Can't be smaller than that... ;D
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Bernard, certainly ABS is a must. ;) And I did like DCT too when I had the chance to give it a try! :)
To be honest, I don't think Consol and I make any more long trips :-\ ... At most, extended weekends like the great one we had last May at VCIM :)
With 208kkm, I believe my Vara will soon need an expensive investment (disks, clutch, valve adjustment,...), so I believe it'll be soon the time for her replacement. As a used bike is out of question, I narrowed down to an DCT equipped either CT or AT.
Let me summarize my points of concern:
-Weight. CT owners claim that it's not that much more than a Vara, and lower placed. But 30 kg less increase noticeably the off road capabilities and thus a number of tracks of my vicinity I used to enjoy years ago.
-Power. When I bought my Vara, I thought I had too much power on my wrist. Now I feel I'd appreciate a briskier throttle response... On the other hand, all my bikes have had more power than their preceeding ones.
-Tyre choice. There are not so many choices for AT's unusual 150-70/18...
-Chain. A nuisance, but a bearable one when you live in a dry climate.
-Ergonomy and comfort. No problem with CT. About AT, I don't think I have any with size, but its seat design and protection against wind are to be checked...
We'll see.
Regards,
Josep
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Keep us posted Josep! Regarding power... you noticed like me, that the power output and display of the new AT are very much compatible with the Dero. But: 50kg LESS... (283kg for the ABS Dero, apr. 230 for the AT...
Tire issues will be resolved - I am sure about that.
And even in the wet Dutch climate my chain & sprockets last for 45.000km without the need of an auto oiler nonsense... I only use the Motul offroad chainlube from the spraycan and I NEVER clean the chain!
The only thing... it got tube tires. I would prever tubeless, but I can understant the choice for tubes on a 50/50 offroad bike.
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JosepM, as you know I currently ride the CT. I hold a slightly different view to some on this forum about the CT compared to the Varadero, we are all individuals and at the end of the day it does come down to personal preference.
I prefer the CT over the Varadero, the weight is lower down. I find the CT easier to manage on unpaved roads compared to the Varadero and I simply do not miss the chain maintenance. Some are concerned that the CT is smaller than the Varadero, but I do not notice that at all. It suits me and my wife very well. The motor is very nice, I love the V4 sound and 99% of the time I do not use all the available power. Nice to have at your disposal when you want it though.
Having said all that, I can't wait to throw my leg over the AT. I really like the look of the AT, the CT is too often confused for a beemer from a distance (they do sort of look similar).
The AT will definitely be better suited to the paved/unpaved combination of riding.
My view is if you ride almost solely on tarmac then you can't go wrong with the CT. If you do a combination of paved and unpaved the AT will be very good.
Come to think of it - you can't go wrong with either VCIF_ThumbUp, they're both good bikes. Throw a leg over both and see which gets your heart throbbing VCIF_salut
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Hi Guys,
Long time, no speak from me – but then it’s been a long time waiting for the new AT. Looks a great bike to me too and I will be very keen to try out the DCT version. I had a NC750X DCT for a year and did 16,000km. Loved the DCT but eventually found the 50 Hp a little limiting for full day motorway riding (two days from Wales to Nice). I changed her for my current bike which is a Triumph Tiger 800XCx which I’ve had since the UK launch in April 2015. Now done 15,000km and love the bike – there seems to be quite a few similarities between the Tiger 800 XCx and the new Honda AT but I do miss that fantastic DCT which of course is now even better. I also plan to test ride it as soon as it arrives at my local dealer! :D
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At my holidays on CT, over 5k done and still two weeks...
For these roads (Balkans) I would prefer AT VCIF_salut
But CT rules on power, never ending torque and always more power available.
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Hello guys
ever thought about changing the forum name to include the Africa Twin ?
best regards
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Hello guys
ever thought about changing the forum name to include the Africa Twin ?
best regards
If you often read the forum, we have begun discussion about including AT. Conclusion for instance is wait and see the bike. Xtourer was announced by Honda as Varadero successor . New AT is AT successor wich is not part of this forum; and AT forum still exist. We have to discuss later on what to do ... In an other thread ;)
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Hello guys
ever thought about changing the forum name to include the Africa Twin ?
best regards
If you often read the forum, we have begun discussion about including AT. Conclusion for instance is wait and see the bike. Crosstourer was announced by Honda as Varadero successor . New AT is AT successor which is not part of this forum; and AT forum still exist. We have to discuss later on what to do ... In an other thread ;)
Very valid point, Gilles!
To complete the information displayed by Gilles: The Africa Twin has a very loyal group of admirers since it came on the market in 1989, its not likely that they will change from the existing established Africa Twin communities to VCI. And above that... since this community started in 1999, Transalp- and Africa Twin owners have always been welcome to join. But no reason to change.
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About the bike... VCIF_ThumbUp
Available in France end of October or beginning of November...
Introduction in Paris Moto Show http://lesalondelamoto.com/en/ (http://lesalondelamoto.com/en/)
I have booked test ride as soon as it arrives, a Tricolor DCT!
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UPDATE
Here in France it will be launched during DAKAR 2016 so I will not be testing it at October :o
I just saw the mail from Honda France for distributors, official release date to be 16th of jan 2016.
It will be present in Paris Moto show beginning of December though VCIF_ThumbUp
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Here, info are November for disponibility of the bike ... 8) Hope I can try before going in the mountain ... ::)
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My distributor showed me the e-mail from Honda France, clearly stating after DAKAR.
Some new video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hl-iJI2HwM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hl-iJI2HwM)
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https://youtu.be/dOed6Osrj4E
From the official Honda Press Release.
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Marc Marquez and Joan Barreda riding the new CRF1000L Africa Twin
Marquez and Barreda put Africa Twin through its paces
Team HRC Dakar rider Joan Barreda and double MotoGP champion Marc Marquez have been among the first riders to give Honda’s new CRF1000L Africa Twin a thorough workout.
Filmed in northern Spain, the videos on the link below show unique footage of the two world class racers riding Honda’s eagerly-anticipated full-size adventure machine in both its manual and Dual Clutch Transmission versions.
Footage of the Africa Twin in action with Barreda and Marquez is available here:
https://youtu.be/wq5s3npzEek (https://youtu.be/wq5s3npzEek)
https://youtu.be/dp2NJMbUyzg (https://youtu.be/dp2NJMbUyzg)
https://youtu.be/dOed6Osrj4E (https://youtu.be/dOed6Osrj4E)
To view the full release and related media online, please click the link below:
http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/motorcycles/media/pressreleases/60849/marquez-and-barreda-put-africa-twin-through-its-paces (http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/motorcycles/media/pressreleases/60849/marquez-and-barreda-put-africa-twin-through-its-paces)
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Bernard and I enjoyed watching these. I'm currently enjoying, with my wife, Bernard's kind hospitality at his lovely house here in the Netherlands... great to meet face to face and talk bikes...
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It is announced to be sold in the USA and Canada. Except the basic non-ABS version, it seems to me.
In the USA, it's got a "manufacturer's recommended retail price", or whatever they call it, of $12999 and $13699 (ABS or DCT), which is about 11450€ and 12100€, and then some taxes and expenses must be added.
No cheap bike, even overseas.
Greetings,
Josep
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What is the point you want to make, Josep? Your Varadero was more expensive new and did not came with either offroadabillity DCT/ABS. And exsesive weight. Despite my warm feelings towards the Varadero even I have to admitt that the Varadero was already dated bigtime when it was introduced in September 1998.
The 800 Crossrunner is € 14.000,- in my part of the World. 14 mille for a bike which is no more than a old 800VFR in a new dress. That is what I would call overpriced.
The only bike which is exceptional overpriced here, is the Crosstourer. Heavier as a Varadero. Smaller as a Varadero. Thirstier than a Varadero. 5.000,- more expensive as a Varadero. Less weather protection than a Varadero... Etcetera. Even the shaftdrive can't make that up.
If the CRF1000 gets available for 12-14.000 I would be very happy!
It is announced to be sold in the USA and Canada. Except the basic non-ABS version, it seems to me.
In the USA, it's got a "manufacturer's recommended retail price", or whatever they call it, of $12999 and $13699 (ABS or DCT), which is about 11450€ and 12100€, and then some taxes and expenses must be added.
No cheap bike, even overseas.
Greetings,
Josep
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Well, I meant to say that the new AT is no cheap bike, and that its price is not that different in the USA.
Probably I thought about that because a friend has just purchased a three cylinder, 115 HP Yamaha for less than 10000€. And I remember that prices in the USA used to be noticeably lower than here.
On the other hand, yesterday I had my rear tyre replaced. My mechanic commented how heavy and thick Honda rims are. In my opinion this is a sign of built quality, that has a cost. Well, I like to think that Honda has better overall quality than others, so I don't get ripped off if prices are sometimes higher; or at least I feel so with my Vara after so many km together.
Regards,
Josep
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Let's not compare the Varadero to the Africa Twin. The Varadero is good at what it does and for its size, age and technology it can actually do a lot!
Yes, there are many excellent bikes out there, you just need to decide what you want to do and find one that fits these needs and you.
The new AT will be an amazing machine I am sure.....and if someone left one on my drive I'd be very happy :) .....even though my dirt-bike days are becoming a memory.... ;)
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We can compare the prices: in France AT DCT & CT are the same prices : 13999€ :(
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Purchased a new rear tyre last Saturnday and asked my Honda agent when he would expect the new @twin in his showroom:
Mid- November 2015!
1,5 months to go... VCIF_ThumbUp
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The prices in New Zealand are now known.
For comparison sake, I include the price for the VFR1200X...
- base model VFR1200X is $27,000
- base model AT is $19,995
- ABS/TC version is $21,995
- ABS/DCT version is $23,995
In New Zealand the base version VFR1200X comes with ABS and traction control. As such the comparative prices are $22,000 for the AT with ABs and traction control and $27,000 for the VFR1200X. That's nicely pitched between the VFR800x and the VFR1200X.
Cheers from downunder...
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Hello
The prices in Portugal
PREÇOS
Os preços de cada uma destas versões são os seguintes:
Africa Twin Standard 12.100€
Africa Twin c/ ABS 13.000€
Africa Twin c/ ABS & DCT 14.120€
Regards
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Strange we have not normal model here only ABS & DCT ?... ???
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Prices in Norway
ABS - NOK 172000.- (€18050.-)
ABS DCT - NOK 180000.- (€18900.-)
You're all welcome to buy your new bike here ;D ;D
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Prices in Norway
ABS - NOK 172000.- (€18050.-)
ABS DCT - NOK 180000.- (€18900.-)
You're all welcome to buy your new bike here ;D ;D
Maybe Erik, that isn't such a bad idea... If we get a VAT & Tax refund exporting the bike.
Many Dutch here in the North buy f.e their cars in Denmark for exact the same reasons ;)
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Maybe Erik, that isn't such a bad idea... If we get a VAT & Tax refund exporting the bike.
Many Dutch here in the North buy f.e their cars in Denmark for exact the same reasons ;)
Well, Bernard.
I didn't think about that.
I bought my Varadero directly from the importer, and paid all the tax/Vat myself.
The price was more than doubled!
The Norvegian Vat only is 25%.
But how can you get Vat refund from Denmark?
Denmark is a EU member.
However - I know that people from the whole world used to buy wine in Norway for export.
But that was when the Norwegian Wine Monopoly imported all the wine themself.
They were experts, and they bought big amounts.
My dream job... :-*
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Production model, finally?
http://www.m-bike.sakura.ne.jp/?p=99025 (http://www.m-bike.sakura.ne.jp/?p=99025)
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Nice pic, in line-up with the XRV650 (RD03) and the XRV750 (RD07). But it shows one thing... The new bike is, eh, very... Slim. Tiny. OK, its tall, but certainly not as 'buffy' as its predecessors or the Varadero.
Still need to see, taste, and feel it in the flesh though! And looking mighty forward to it. Its the most promising new Honda in ages!
(http://m-bike.sakura.ne.jp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/tms_africa_twin/africatwin_01.jpg)
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We are not all monsters like you VCIF_salut
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More to come from 16/10/2015...!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU1q_vbzdk
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Riding this kind of ground only in MTB for me 8) ;D
It would be nice to test it before the winter season.
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16 Oct here already! Of course this is one disadvantage of being ahead of the rest of the world...
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16th here too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSR0NMpSrQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSR0NMpSrQM)
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Technical Specifications
ENGINE
Type Liquid-cooled 4-stroke 4 valve-per-cylinder parallel twin with 270° crank and uni-cam
Displacement 998cm3
Bore & Stroke 92.0 x 75.1mm
Max. Power Output 70kW/7,500rpm (95/1/EC)
Max. Torque 98Nm/6,000rpm (95/1/EC)
FUEL SYSTEM
Fuel Capacity 18.8 litres
Fuel consumption (WMTC mode) MT: 21.7 km/l (WMTC)
DCT: 21.8 km/l (WMTC)
DRIVETRAIN
Clutch MT: Wet, multiplate with coil springs, Aluminium Cam Assist and Slipper clutch DCT: 2 Wet multiple clutches with coil springs
Gearbox / Transmission Type Constant mesh 6-speed MT / 6-speed DCT
Final Drive O-ring sealed chain
Honda Selectable Torque Control System (HSTC) * HSTC 3-levels + Switch Off (*ABS & DCT models only, not on STD model)
FRAME
Type Steel semi-double cradle type with steel rear subframe
CHASSIS
Dimensions (L x W x H) 2,335 x 875 x 1,475mm (STD), 2,335 x 930 x 1,475mm (ABS/DCT)
Wheelbase 1,575mm
Seat Height (STD position / Low position) 870/850mm
Ground Clearance 250mm
Dry Weight 208kg (STD), 212 kg (ABS), 222kg (DCT)
Kerb Weight 228kg (STD), 232 kg (ABS), 242kg (DCT)
Turning Radius 2.6m
SUSPENSION
Suspension (front) Show 45mm cartridge-type inverted telescopic fork with dial-style preload adjuster and DF adjustment, 230mm stroke.
Suspension (rear) Monoblock cast aluminium swing arm with Pro-Link with gas-charged damper, hydraulic dial-style preload adjuster and rebound damping adjustment, 220 mm rear wheel travel.
WHEELS
Wheels Front Wire spoke with aluminium rim
Wheels Rear Wire spoke with aluminium rim
Rim Size Front 21 x 2.15
Rim Size Rear 18 x 4.00
Tyres Front 90/90-21 tube type
Tyres Rear 150/70-18 tube type
BRAKES
ABS system type ABS* 2-Channel with rear ABS off switch (* ABS & DCT models only, not on STD model)
Type Front 310mm dual wave floating disc with aluminium hub and radial fit 4-piston calipers and sintered metal pads
Type Rear 256mm wave disc with 1-piston caliper and sintered metal pads. Also Lever-Lock Type Parking Brake System on DCT model with additional slide type 1-piston caliper
INSTRUMENTS & ELECTRICS
Instruments Rally style negative LCD instrument display including: Speedometer, Tachometer, Fuel, Gear position, *ABS, *HSTC, Odometer, Trip and Clock *denotes ABS/DCT type
Headlight Dual LED (1 High/1 Low) with LED
Taillight LED
Indicators STD: Bulb type
ABS/DCT: LED type. Both with Amber Position Light function (APL)
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The full press release including high resolution pictures:
http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/motorcycles/media/pressreleases/62945/16ym-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin?utm_campaign=NewsAlert_659&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=hondanews.eu (http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/motorcycles/media/pressreleases/62945/16ym-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin?utm_campaign=NewsAlert_659&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=hondanews.eu)
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Some good pics in there. Panniers look a bit flimsy. Fuel consumption figures in the specs looks good though.
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Fuel Capacity 18.8 litres
Fuel consumption (WMTC mode) MT: 21.7 km/l (WMTC)
DCT: 21.8 km/l (WMTC)
That gives a range of about 350km to reserve. That's better than what I get with the VFR1200X before I hit reserve.
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It is what was announced; a good point ! VCIF_ThumbUp
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Amazing that the DCT is better on fuel than the manual! I think it will perform magical, waiting desperately to get my hands on one of them. The two Honda agents in my area have ordered both a tricolore demobike, scheduled to arrive next month... Hopefully we won't have an early winter!
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Amazing that the DCT is better on fuel than the manual! I think it will perform magical, waiting desperately to get my hands on one of them. The two Honda agents in my area have ordered both a tricolore demobike, scheduled to arrive next month... Hopefully we won't have an early winter!
Yes I was quite surprised. Our warm weather is starting to arrive properly now...
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......but winter is coming fast up here :(
That's it for another year.......time for some winter maintenance
Hope to see the new AT next spring!
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Amazing that the DCT is better on fuel than the manual! I think it will perform magical, waiting desperately to get my hands on one of them. The two Honda agents in my area have ordered both a tricolore demobike, scheduled to arrive next month... Hopefully we won't have an early winter!
It is not automatic as cars used to have with power loss on small gears. It is normal gearbox with automatic clutch and gear changes.
Lets compare who calculates faster, you in your head or your computer? and makes no calculation mistakes? VCIF_salut
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Amazing that the DCT is better on fuel than the manual! I think it will perform magical, waiting desperately to get my hands on one of them. The two Honda agents in my area have ordered both a tricolore demobike, scheduled to arrive next month... Hopefully we won't have an early winter!
It is not automatic as cars used to have with power loss on small gears. It is normal gearbox with automatic clutch and gear changes.
Lets compare who calculates faster, you in your head or your computer? and makes no calculation mistakes? VCIF_salut
Head wins. Big time. From which my computer obviously, takes the profits ;)
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Amazing that the DCT is better on fuel than the manual! I think it will perform magical, waiting desperately to get my hands on one of them. The two Honda agents in my area have ordered both a tricolore demobike, scheduled to arrive next month... Hopefully we won't have an early winter!
It is not automatic as cars used to have with power loss on small gears. It is normal gearbox with automatic clutch and gear changes.
Lets compare who calculates faster, you in your head or your computer? and makes no calculation mistakes? VCIF_salut
Head wins. Big time. From which my computer obviously, takes the profits ;)
No it does not. Do not forget you speak with an automotive engineer... VCIF_ThumbUp
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Conclusion: You are mentally disabled? You poor thing... ;D
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both win... That's the beauty of a DCT gearbox with override buttons ;D 8) 8)
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:'(
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Honda just released info regarding the 2016 Crosstourer (see Honda news on this forum), and it says:
Three levels of S mode for the Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT) version to cover a wider range of riding scenarios and styles. Software upgrades that allow the machine to detect uphill and downhill slopes and adjust its shift pattern accordingly. The DCT option has been chosen by the majority of VFR1200X Crosstourer customers since 2014.
That's an interesting news-fact... Looking towards the 'offroad' tuned DCT on the new CRF1000 Africa Twin...
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I'm not surprised.
Strangely we can't get DCT here unless we specifically order it and then wait for it to arrive. They have, until now, only done manual gearboxes in NZ VCIF_a_008. That is going to change with the new AT, at last our market will be able to experience DCT. And not before time VCIF_a040hae
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Something strange, because we (in France) cannot anymore choice for the CT we have only DCT models since this year... >:( so when they say " have been chosen by the majority " ... Not chosen everywhere but imposed .... 8) it can increase the numbers !
We will have choice ( for instance) for the next AT
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I have manual CT in France if somebody wants. 38.000 km, full equipment.
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We will have choice ( for instance) for the next AT
Either ABS+DCT or ABS, but not the basic STD (non-ABS non-DCT).
Two choices out of three, then, in France 8)
Greetings,
Josep
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I have manual CT in France if somebody wants. 38.000 km, full equipment.
but 106cv ... 8)
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It seems that delivery in The Netherlands is delayed...was next November, now December, possibly even January '16...
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No surprise.
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As I was told "After Dakar"... >:(
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I have manual CT in France if somebody wants. 38.000 km, full equipment.
but 106cv ... 8)
Yeah, Stupid french ruler, but still full amount of Torque!
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Dear All,
A while ago I noticed a few interesting facts about Honda's largest adventure bikes, and guess what?
The new Africa twin is going to be Honda's largest!
Good news for us tall fellows! ;D
These are the dimensions of the three bikes.. (LxWxH)
Africa Twin 2.335 x 930 x 1.475 mm (ABS/DCT) weight: 242kg.
Crosstourer 2.285 x 915 x 1.335 mm (ABS/DCT) weight: 285kg.
Varadero 2.295 x 925 x 1.500 mm (ABS). weight: 276kg.
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So, please tell me, is the Africa Twin high enough for the Dutch, if global warming progresses ????
Greetings from the South of Germany
(here about 100m above msl)
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It might be the biggest, it also has the most ground clearance of the lot... So the amount of room for your legs will be limited. But when raising the saddle and lowering the footpegs it might be a bike that is suitable for Dutch people.
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It might be the biggest, it also has the most ground clearance of the lot... So the amount of room for your legs will be limited. But when raising the saddle and lowering the footpegs it might be a bike that is suitable for Dutch people.
True, lowering the foot pegs should do the trick. New AT looks like being the successor for the old AT as well as the Varadero. Best of both worlds, if you ask me. :)
..and I just love the looks!
Can't wait to have a go on one, roll on 2016!
O..and mine is a red one thanks. VCIF_ThumbUp
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It might be the biggest, it also has the most ground clearance of the lot... So the amount of room for your legs will be limited. But when raising the saddle and lowering the footpegs it might be a bike that is suitable for Dutch people.
True, lowering the foot pegs should do the trick. New AT looks like being the successor for the old AT as well as the Varadero. Best of both worlds, if you ask me. :)
..and I just love the looks!
Can't wait to have a go on one, roll on 2016!
O..and mine is a red one thanks. VCIF_ThumbUp
Dimensions however, says nothing about appearances... The bike might be tall, but if it is skinny like f.e. the Yamaha Tenere 660 (which is also a very tall bike) it still dwarfs. The ABS Varadero is (according to my licence papers) 283kg ;). The big plus of the Varadero (but also bikes like the GS1200A and the S10 Worldcrosser) is that they are not only tall, but also have a 'big' appearance.
But... judging to what I have seen, and the figures shared by Honda, I am moderate positive! VCIF_ThumbUp
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Yes the Varadero is a true heavyweight tell me about it :), the AT should be a totally different bike to ride though. It's weight is much lower down than the Varadero and it's about 40kg lighter with the same power output.
And yes, I agree about the appearance thing, it should look a big bike too without overdoing it like the GSA. In my humble opinion the front/dashboard looks a bit like the Varadero but then modern and a touch slimmer. That's the bit I don't like about the CT, which is nice to ride though but hasn't got the appearance I'm looking for, being a tall fella. 8)
Anyway, time will tell. I hope I'm still in love after I've tested it... ;D
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Should we change the forum name "tall boys club"?
I am just 180 cm...
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I really like the looks of the new AT, however I also noticed some things that I do not like that much. For example there is no "hump" on the passenger seat to stop them from sliding forward and I also do not like the turning radius. It is the same as the Varadero. After riding a Transalp 600 for years the one thing I found bad in the Varadero was exactly the turning radius combined with the weight when maneuvering in and out of the garage. Other then that, I also can't wait to see it in showroom and eventually get on one.
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Press launch beginning of December!
http://www.adventurebikerider.com/news/1221-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-press-launch-confirmed.html (http://www.adventurebikerider.com/news/1221-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-press-launch-confirmed.html)
Some video from Japan, the first launch of AT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O80un-B-brI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O80un-B-brI)
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Spoke with the NZ Honda distributor yesterday. They were hoping to get some demo/press bikes for end of November but this has been delayed due to the official press release not happening until first week of December.
Bikes will not make NZ until the new year.
Hope they get here before our summer disappears...
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According to rumours, it's the basic ABSless version (you know, the one that Honda France won't sell 8) ) the one available by the end of year.
By the end of February, the ABS one.
And by the end of May, the DCT equipped one.
This calendar above is for Spain. Countries with stronger currencies or markets could of course be different. 8) ::)
Greetings,
Josep
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They keep telling me to come to pick the bike at 16th of January 2016 VCIF_salut
Although I did not buy or order it my dealer made demo bike order and promised to sell it to me if I like it :)
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Now I am disappointed!
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Now I am disappointed!
Why on Earth would You? ???
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Seems this bike can be a replacement possibility for my Vara. Same max power, same Max torque, 40 kg less ... hope the seat is as comfortable as the previous, and protection as good ;)
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Disappointed cause I am not having mine...
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Not long now.
I'm surprised to hear the various versions of the bike will be made available on different timelines. This does not match up with my understanding of how modern vehicle production facilities work. Usually all variants are on the same production line at once, utilising just in time logistics to get the right part to the right vehicle at the right stage in the production process as the vehicle progresses down the production line.
I'll guess we'll just have to wait and see how this pans out.
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Not long now.
I'm surprised to hear the various versions of the bike will be made available on different timelines. This does not match up with my understanding of how modern vehicle production facilities work. Usually all variants are on the same production line at once, utilising just in time logistics to get the right part to the right vehicle at the right stage in the production process as the vehicle progresses down the production line.
I'll guess we'll just have to wait and see how this pans out.
Maybe they have been unexpectedly flooded with orders of DCT, so they take time until they can have a suitable number of units to deliver. ::)
A number of test bikes would come earlier, though.
Greetings,
Josep
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Disappointed cause I am not having mine...
;D You know it Jyrki... "All good things come to those who wait"
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Is it written in the big black book? I do not read it...
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Honda accessories : prices will be provided during EICMA
Top box
panniers
high screen (+90 h; +30 l )
smoked screen
Central Stand
Tubular side protection
heated grips
Upper and lower spoilers
Rubber passenger footrest
Selector and shifter (DCT-ABS version only)
12V accessory socket
Front fog lights
Rims Stickers
VCIF_salut
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Is it written in the big black book? I do not read it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_things_come_to_those_who_wait
It's a bit disappointing that nowadays most questions can be answered just by googling and wikipediaing :-\
Regards,
Josep
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I thought it sounds familiar, must be the Guinnes add VCIF_ThumbUp
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Is it written in the big black book? I do not read it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_things_come_to_those_who_wait
It's a bit disappointing that nowadays most questions can be answered just by googling and wikipediaing :-\
Regards,
Josep
Beware. You will own a cellphone before You know it, Joseph! ;)
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Honda accessories : prices will be provided during EICMA
Top box
panniers
high screen (+90 h; +30 l )
smoked screen
Central Stand
Tubular side protection
heated grips
Upper and lower spoilers
Rubber passenger footrest
Selector and shifter (DCT-ABS version only)
12V accessory socket
Front fog lights
Rims Stickers
VCIF_salut
Thanks, that is very useful information. I shared this list on the AdvRider website... Will be interesting to see how much these accessories cost - a pretty penny or two I should imagine... :o
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Now I am disappointed!
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Nice!!!!!!!! VCIF_ThumbUp
Is this the demo AT delivered to your local dealer?
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Not yet, but some has got theirs already :(
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Some one is CHEATING! CHEATING! ;D
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not long now...
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TIK TOK TIK TOK TIK TOK.....
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Test models in shop on January 16 (with the Honda winning the Paris-Dakar) and first livraison on end of January (for france)... VCIF_a_008
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http://youtu.be/63nCt4StGGo http://youtu.be/QNQAuouPbPQ
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Thank you for the share !!! I've seen my honda workshop chief: he knows very well Michael Metge (seen with red shirt on the video - official honda rider for Paris Dakar) who have test the bike: only good !!! ;D
Here is the official AT large video
https://youtu.be/zqy7Ld5MIeY
Perhaps we have some report of this EICMA from people go there (Varaderi or somebody else ? )
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http://youtu.be/x-MSFKKrTEI (http://youtu.be/x-MSFKKrTEI)
Touratech is working on the new bike already, notice the much better looking crash bars. VCIF_ThumbUp
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Here's another one from Touratech, straight from their FB page. Happy to notice Honda finally got some sence again, getting back from the Givi crap they mounted on the Varadero:
Prob a repost from me, I don't bother to view XXX pages back... But interesting anyway again: TOURATECH's CEO takes out the New Africa Twin. The Vid displayed below is an FaceBook link, so I am sorry for the FaceLess amongst you... :lol3
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1171259409569234 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1171259409569234)
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Not yet, but some has got theirs already :(
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Touratech ... 8)
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Touratech accessories available in January 2016
Zega Pro and Zega Mundo pannier systems available in 31, 38 and 45Liter sizes
Zega Pro top case system in 25 and 38Liter sizes
Touratech Suspension
Aluminum luggage rack for securing a dry bag with straps
GPS mounting adapter
’Works’ long-distance foot pegs
Handlebar risers
Stainless steel engine crash bars
Fairing crash bars
Large side-stand foot
Hand guards
Auxilliary lights
Headlight guard
Expedition Skid Plate
Expandable Tank Bag
DriRide Breathable seats
Low and high touring seats
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Here's another one from Touratech, straight from their FB page. Happy to notice Honda finally got some sence again, getting back from the Givi crap they mounted on the Varadero:
Prob a repost from me, I don't bother to view XXX pages back... But interesting anyway again: TOURATECH's CEO takes out the New Africa Twin. The Vid displayed below is an FaceBook link, so I am sorry for the FaceLess amongst you... :lol3
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1171259409569234 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1171259409569234)
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Super video...I'm "faceless " but it's ok on my BlackBerry PlayBook VCIF_a040hae VCIF_a040hae VCIF_varaGrey
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http://rustsports.com/ (http://rustsports.com/)
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The bike has landed in the Netherlands as well!
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For France, the dealers have a presentation in Spain (Catalonia?) and have to bring back their bike by them selves VCIF_ThumbUp
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For France, the dealers have a presentation in Spain (Catalonia?) and have to bring back their bike by them selves VCIF_ThumbUp
Do you know rxactly where? ;)
Regards
Josep
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Do you know rxactly where? ;)
Regards
Josep
My dealer said to me, I do not remember ... I can ask again . It will be around 15 January. ;)
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My dealer said to me, I do not remember ... I can ask again . It will be around 15 January. ;)
If it were at the same place as the Crosstourer presentation I could probably go and have a look ;) (that day Bernard and other testers rode *my* roads and had lunch just next to the Monestir de Poblet ;) ).
What about your dealer having one or two ;) additional testers ;D ?
Regards,
Josep
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Who among you are seriously considering or have already bought the new Africa Twin?
I'd like to, but I've hit a snag! My wife has persuaded me to agree to house renovations (new carpet, furniture and kitchen plus minor building mods), so money is tight this year as $60k (and counting) rapidly departs our collective bank accounts :o :-\ :-\. I think under the circumstances discretion is the better part of valour for 2016! :-X
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Seems Jyrky is the first 8) but we can now go on the AT thread .
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Do you know rxactly where? ;)
Regards
Josep
It'll take place in Sitgès from 13 to 15 January VCIF_ok VCIF_salut
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It'll take place in Sitges from 13 to 15 January VCIF_ok VCIF_salut
Mmmm. Sort of half way between Tarragona and Barcelona. A town notorious for its carnaval (http://www.visitsitges.com/en/carnaval-sitges-2016) and its "free lifestyle", which has for instance made it since long a cherished place for the gay community.
No, I've never stayed more than five minutes in this town, so far ;D ;D
Regards,
Josep
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Guys
Tnx to some good SA connections, I can give you a small update on the current press release of the CRF1000 Africa Twin in Sunny South Africa. I could write pages of stuff, about every aspect, but the first colleagues I have chatted with, are saying only this: The bike is a BLAST and the DCT gearbox is an engineering masterpiece, even offroad. Some pics to share... Sorry for the Q of them, I wasn't the photographer.... ;) If you have some specific Q's I might forward them to my South African connections.
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To get your dimensions how big the bike actually is: the car is a 4x4 Iveco Daily truck.
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VCIF_ThumbUp have wait till April ... ::)
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NO more waiting :o
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@ Bernard, Q will be : have some body tested the pillion place?
Have they tried optional larger screen, and how is protection.
Thx VCIF_salut
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Pillion rides her own bike :D
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Pillion rides her own bike :D
Not at my house, sadly.
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Pillion rides her own bike :D
Not at my house, sadly.
Nor mine ... 8)
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@ Bernard, Q will be : have some body tested the pillion place?
Have they tried optional larger screen, and how is protection.
Thx VCIF_salut
No pillion testers. In todays World, the other part rides their own bikes :lol3
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So the early blog confirms mostly what we already knew about this bike:
- 50/50 geometry
- new version of DCT is very good
- comfortable
- good finish/high quality build
- power is more than adequate
- suspension OK but if you want it to really perform you may need to put on aftermarket suspension (I find Honda suspension adequate for my needs)
All in all, a round the world bike for good riding on paved roads and good riding on unpaved roads. Not quite a dual sport, but near enough for this to one of the best one litre all round bikes on the market. Not having ridden a bike with DCT before I still want to try this before buying. I suspect I will like it.
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Report from one of the guys there. :)
http://theworldaccordingtoluckystriker.blogspot.co.za/2015/11/2015-honda-crf-1000l-africa-twin.html (http://theworldaccordingtoluckystriker.blogspot.co.za/2015/11/2015-honda-crf-1000l-africa-twin.html)
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And... a few more updates from Sunny South Africa, with special thanks to ADA (Honda Advanced Riders Academy South Africa)
SA Dirt & Trail Magazine: "The new Honda Africa Twin sets the benchmark for Adventure Bikes....it is going to send everyone else back to the drawing board. From looks to comfort and performance, nothing else comes close to this bike. Honda are going to be hard put to make enough of them. The electronically loaded DCT model is just awesome. Dirt & Trail and the other mainstream South African motorcycle media were the first in the world to try them out over two days in the Karroo. It is ideally suited to South African conditions, both on and off road"
Enduro World SA: "I honestly never expected to be nearly as impressed as I am with the new Honda CRF1000 Africa Twin. Honda have gone against the current trend of making soft adventure bikes that are more road orientated - this is a proper adventure bike! And it's gorgeous."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz3y0_wqH5Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz3y0_wqH5Q)
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Me thinks, me gets mentally more- and more ready for a certain purchase... ::) :-X
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And... the first FULL test report, with again special thanks to Bikers ZA (Zuid Afrika, South Africa).
To kick off with an quote:
With the Africa Twin, Honda have not simply hit the adventure touring mark, they have absolutely blown it away! Four odd years of design, research and development have culminated in what could just be the most focused and competent dirt biased adventure bike on earth! Try as I might and not wanting to sugar coat this article, I did try, yet I honestly could not fault this bike. The new Africa Twin is a winning package and I have no doubt that we will see riders taking on Africa and the world in absolute confidence, on this magnificent machine!
Welcome back Africa Twin, it was worth the wait!
Read the full test with amazing photo and video footage here (in English):
http://www.zabikers.co.za/2015/12/01/first-ride-honda-africa-twin/ (http://www.zabikers.co.za/2015/12/01/first-ride-honda-africa-twin/)
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Looking as awesome as we suspected it would be...
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Good read, thanks for sharing! VCIF_ThumbUp
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Right colours Jyrki. Don't bother to wrap it in giftpaper. I take it as it comes :lol3
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Another comprehensive review and test of the forthcoming CRF1000. VCIF_ThumbUp
http://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bike-reviews/honda/honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-first-full-review-and-test/#.VmPbgoTOXzL (http://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bike-reviews/honda/honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-first-full-review-and-test/#.VmPbgoTOXzL)
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Another brilliant review:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d4EEe6S-530&feature=youtu.be
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbeS4uaxzLM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbeS4uaxzLM)
Pfff... I'll still have to practice some more
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbeS4uaxzLM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbeS4uaxzLM)
Pfff... I'll still have to practice some more
Me to ... VCIF_ok
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Nah, I wouldn't even consider trying that. Walking maybe...
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Bike is revealed ánd released, so... Lockdown here. Please share further Africa Twin postings in the designated topics, tnx!