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The Varadero International Meeting (VIM) - where riders of our forum meet => VIM21-2019: June 7th - June 10th, Denmark => Topic started by: Norbert_L on September 05, 2018, 15:42:20
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During the preparation for my way to the VIM 21 i found reports about the Marguerite Route in Denmark. Can someone tell me more about it or is someone else already driving this route or parts of it?
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As a lot of other countries, Danmark is part of the TET (https://www.transeurotrail.org/denmark/) (Trans Euro Trail) ; Is some of the locals have tested? parts are possible to ride with a big trail in duo, and some (quite) only with a smaller enduro bike ...
So waiting for your reports ... VCIF_salut
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Take a look at this.
https://www.visitdenmark.com/denmark/attractions/marguerite-route
It's small roads which will lead you to beautiful landscapes, small villages and smaller tourist attractions.
Along the route you also will find old, small, private pubs (kro), often with acco.
Here you also can taste local beers and traditional Danish food.
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Take a look at this.
https://www.visitdenmark.com/denmark/attractions/marguerite-route
It's small roads which will lead you to beautiful landscapes, small villages and smaller tourist attractions.
Along the route you also will find old, small, private pubs (kro), often with acco.
Here you also can taste local beers and traditional Danish food.
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Take a look at this.
https://www.visitdenmark.com/denmark/attractions/marguerite-route
It's small roads which will lead you to beautiful landscapes, small villages and smaller tourist attractions.
Along the route you also will find old, small, private pubs (kro), often with acco.
Here you also can taste local beers and traditional Danish food.
We actually did the German-Danish part of this route on our way to VIM Geiranger, few years ago. Absolutely recommendable. The route even streches down south to the Dutch coast.
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*.GPX track of the Marguerite road is here (https://mydrive.tomtom.com/gor-webapp/ws/rest/V1/gpx/export/itinerary/5485e31d-d7cf-4e38-85bb-84ec2367129b?, https://mydrive.tomtom.com/fr_fr/)
VCIF_salut
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*.GPX track of the Marguerite road is here (https://mydrive.tomtom.com/gor-webapp/ws/rest/V1/gpx/export/itinerary/5485e31d-d7cf-4e38-85bb-84ec2367129b?, https://mydrive.tomtom.com/fr_fr/)
VCIF_salut
VCIF_ThumbUp Thank you Zebulon for the link, i found it too and i'm working with. VCIF_ThumbUp
Now i have personal impressions from guys here in the Forum. You have to know - my impression from Denmark is, it is small and flat and the tour could be boring. But it looks, it is not. I also found some beaches on wich you can drive with the bike (or car). Looks nice on Youtube. I will try it. It will be a new experience for us.
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TET track is here (https://www.transeurotrail.org/wp-content/uploads/gpxsync/DK.gpx)
(done a part of Italian one this week-end - quietly hard ::) )
VCIF_salut
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After the german meeting is nearly booked out already, I decided to make my trip to VIM21 definetly. May be with a loop over norway and sweden included.
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... I decided to make my trip to VIM21 definetly. May be with a loop over norway and sweden included.
Hallo Stephan,
so we shall see us again for a VIM VCIF_ThumbUp.
I am planing to take the route through the Netherlands (Nimwegen; Amsterdam, Den Helder, Ijsselmeer-"Bridge" and along the Nothern Sea coast) to Bremerhaven and the ferry at Puttgarden.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
PS: Never had been at a tour such long under msl. Hopefully nobody opens the plug, I have no diving equipment with VCIF_37_ohh.
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TET track is here (https://www.transeurotrail.org/wp-content/uploads/gpxsync/DK.gpx)
(done a part of Italian one this week-end - quietly hard ::) )
VCIF_salut
Vara riders do not go to TET :)
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Vara riders do not go to TET :)
But they are less each year ... and more real trail bikes ;D
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Expecting ride south Finland and Baltics, had planned a lot of gravel roads in these countries, and have a look on TET tracks; is it easy to find petrol in these countries, or wise to bring some more liters ? thx for neighbors who knows.
VCIF_salut
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Finland:
Roadways: This entry gives the total length of the road network and includes the length of the paved and unpaved portions. Roadways field listing
total: 454,000 km (2012)
highways: 78,000 km (50,000 paved, including 700 km of expressways; 28,000 unpaved) (2012)
private and forest roads: 350,000 km (2012)
Fuel is available in every town...
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This topic is in my modest opinion about travelling to VIM, not converting our community more and more to an offroad group?
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I just ask because I try to ride gravel to go and come back to VIM 21 ... do not think it is off topic; and think it can be useful for some others members ...
VCIF_salut
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I just ask because I try to ride gravel to go and come back to VIM 21 ... do not think it is off topic; and think it can be useful for some others members ...
VCIF_salut
I'm sure that you will be able to ride gravel roads quite a bit of the way from southern France to Fredriksværk.
You really need plenty of time though.
To be honest - most of "us" don't look for gravel roads on our way to and from a VIM. Gravel roads for the intererested during a VIM is something else.
Unfortunately I think there are'nt many gravel roads in western Sealand.
Or am I wrong, Ole & Ole... ???
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I think there are'nt many gravel roads in western Sealand.
Erik is right, there's not many gravel roads on Zealand, and a part of these, are typically forbidden to ride on because of privacy or something similar. The few that's legal, are not very long, e.g. the one I rode in the weekend; 1,5 km.
I just ask because I try to ride gravel to go and come back to VIM 21
And of cause that's okay... but you had already put a link to TET up here, which, 1. you have a topic about elsewhere, 2. it has been on the front page for a long time. And like Erik, I don't think this has the biggest interest for the VIM participants.
And your statement about the Varederos:
But they are less each year ... and more real trail bikes
together with the resentment I felt, when I asked about getting the precentation video on the front page, but got something else; yet another offroad event, gave both me and Bernard the thought that you're turning the forum more and more offroad oriented, forgetting the roots of our forum; the Varadero, our community and VIM.
It's obvious that there will be less and less Varaderos on the roads by time, but we still are a certain part of the members riding it with joy. And, it's not about the Varadero alone, it's a lot about the members as well, and I don't think that those who have changed the Varadero to some other bike, all have changed their riding style to offroad. As you've written yourself, there's not the same activity on the forum anymore, but maybe that's because many present and former Varadero riders hasn't got that much interest in offroad and therefore find other places to act.
On a forum like this, which reprecents both the Varadero, the Crosstourer and the new Africa Twin, there should be space for all three models, and their riders and former riders, whatever they ride tarmac or gravel, short or long trips, few or many kilometers a year, and especially, space for our own events. And as we're having VIM21 at Whitsun next year, with an upcoming Website and booking, I think it's time to focus on this and put others events in the background until after the VIM.
After all, in my oppinion, this forum still ought to be the main communication medium in our community (thought VIM21 is announced on Facebook too), as the forum is where the history and the database of our community is build up over the years.
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Think it's turn absolutely off topic, but I will answer you ... here (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1842.new#new)
VCIF_ok
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And now back to topic: The Way To VIM21!
We are still not sure if we will arrive in Denmark on Thursday or Friday, but most likely it will be a motorway trip.
Only a merge 600 km to cover this time, lol.
Planning an after-VIM tour to Norway with Kitty, thats (almost) certain!
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Rainer, would be nice to do the trip together.
Do you plan to take the ferry at Wischhafen/Glückstadt or the Elbtunnel at Hamburg?
Anyone else passing Hamburg on Friday?
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Anyone had any experience of the Puttgarden ferry crossing? Thinking of using it as part of a circular tour.👍
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Anyone had any experience of the Puttgarden ferry crossing? Thinking of using it as part of a circular tour.👍
Yep. You don't need to make reservations, what I recall there is a ferry every 45 minutes. We have used this one on our way to VIM19 in Gotland, two years ago.
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Cheers👍
Also seeking recommended places to stay en route around Bremen and Aalborg. Either "must see" or "must do" places. We have a couple of gaps in our itinerary. Trying to get as much in as possible 😉
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Rainer, would be nice to do the trip together.
Do you plan to take the ferry at Wischhafen/Glückstadt or the Elbtunnel at Hamburg?
Anyone else passing Hamburg on Friday?
I guess more west route for us...
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Rainer, would be nice to do the trip together.
Do you plan to take the ferry at Wischhafen/Glückstadt or the Elbtunnel at Hamburg?
Anyone else passing Hamburg on Friday?
I guess more west route for us...
I am on holidays and plan for the moment to traveo through the Nethetlands north at the coast to Bremerhaven and then via ferry Putgarten to Danemark.
I shsll give after the holidays more infos.
Rainer
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Dear Friends
I would like to enquire two things:
1- My sons Meir wedding is on the 19/06/2019 and this gives me a very limited time to return to Israel. I found that there is a train that can carry me and my bike from Dussoldorf Germany that leave at 20:54 and arrive at 9:15 to Insburk in Austria from there 350 kms to Venice and the ferry to Greece. This saves me one day and 800 kms distance and with this I can be home 3 days before my sons wedding.
Has anybody experienced riding this train.
2- Because of last years puncture in Greece, does anyone knows of road emergincy service in Europe for bikes coming from outside Europe, giving service in Greece, Italy, Austria, Germany and Denmark.
Your help is much appreciated.
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Dear Friends
I would like to enquire two things:
1- My sons Meir wedding is on the 19/06/2019 and this gives me a very limited time to return to Israel. I found that there is a train that can carry me and my bike from Dussoldorf Germany that leave at 20:54 and arrive at 9:15 to Insburk in Austria from there 350 kms to Venice and the ferry to Greece. This saves me one day and 800 kms distance and with this I can be home 3 days before my sons wedding.
Has anybody experienced riding this train.
2- Because of last years puncture in Greece, does anyone knows of road emergincy service in Europe for bikes coming from outside Europe, giving service in Greece, Italy, Austria, Germany and Denmark.
Your help is much appreciated.
Hello Jack
I don't use the train in this direction but i use near each year the train like this from Vienna to Hamburg or from Vienna to Livorno and back. I like to travel with this trains because it's save time. But you have to book on time, because the seats on the train for the bikes / cars are limited and well booked. For example for my trip to the VIM i booked the Train from Vienna to Hamburg in the beginning of December. You can start booking 180 days before your travel. One more hint. Any luggage that is not fixed to the motorcycle (bolted) must be taken into the train compartment. Could be a problem with your luggage.
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Dear Friends
I would like to enquire two things:
1- My sons Meir wedding is on the 19/06/2019 and this gives me a very limited time to return to Israel. I found that there is a train that can carry me and my bike from Dussoldorf Germany that leave at 20:54 and arrive at 9:15 to Insburk in Austria from there 350 kms to Venice and the ferry to Greece. This saves me one day and 800 kms distance and with this I can be home 3 days before my sons wedding.
Has anybody experienced riding this train.
2- Because of last years puncture in Greece, does anyone knows of road emergincy service in Europe for bikes coming from outside Europe, giving service in Greece, Italy, Austria, Germany and Denmark.
Your help is much appreciated.
Regarding roadside assistance: Isn't it covered in your insurance? I know Honda Europe offers this these days for every new bike. Usually they hire local road assistance companies to do the job (for example the German ADAC, Automobielclub Germany, the Dutch ANWB of Route Mobiel, or the British AA). I am a member with Dutch ANWB, they have offered road side assistance through their sister organizations as far as in South Africa, but my insurance offers it too.
Perhaps you should have a chat with your local Israëli Honda agent- or importer? Some travel insurances offering roadside assistance too.
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I know Honda Europe offers this these days for every new bike.
I had ( still have) a 3 years guarantee, assistance (mondial assistance) and maintenance for my AT. VCIF_salut yours is newer Jack ...
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Rainer, would be nice to do the trip together.
Do you plan to take the ferry at Wischhafen/Glückstadt or the Elbtunnel at Hamburg?
Anyone else passing Hamburg on Friday?
I guess more west route for us...
I am on holidays and plan for the moment to travel through the Netherlands north at the coast to Bremerhaven and then via ferry Putgarden to Danemark.
I shall give after the holidays more infos.
Rainer
As posted above, my routing to VIM and back home.
Please see this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8uqwh5unkeo9a0u/VIM%202019%20final.JPG?dl=0
(https://uc07aa4cc7a7a8170d96aa7bc770.previews.dropboxusercontent.com/p/thumb/AAZCl7xyIGdZtV-BXcWq7gGLmkcYLe4mFQ-PLNWByRx87K1j7RjcaLYb1uxe4yPf9jHqcczd13_KOmwUzB9aex6jEtQG0uH8njY4yUAX3FH-FAykivmOvheHxJil_VqMqMJoZbF27_8jPnZueexQ9hip-fQF3GDBCwVdN3uJCkPs8UsBA-LBZs0LhkRTdTokOZNn4xto_0n1tHSkPK-t_V9vxwMQXpTQygPfxBOs-WCdTcOf2IEhe0DrSekVYYQUkJVETHgHlC3RdZmmlNmKvTlJEsrogS5swMa7KGy9k0HXFOt5yKGduzAjRu6Vd0CJIrzMCU7PjbMqoI0jOgkfle4kw52mCZn2fuRLuYCKnSjPDdknOyh23Fujwqxz2At2vh6YaUcQuP0DPSY0-pc1XnBE/p.jpeg?size_mode=5)
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Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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Rainer, would be nice to do the trip together.
Do you plan to take the ferry at Wischhafen/Glückstadt or the Elbtunnel at Hamburg?
Anyone else passing Hamburg on Friday?
I guess more west route for us...
I am on holidays and plan for the moment to travel through the Netherlands north at the coast to Bremerhaven and then via ferry Putgarden to Danemark.
I shall give after the holidays more infos.
Rainer
As posted above, my routing to VIM and back home.
Please see this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8uqwh5unkeo9a0u/VIM%202019%20final.JPG?dl=0
Edit: @ Texas, I´ll take the ferry Wischhafen/Glückstadt.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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Dear Norbert thank you very much for your advice, because of your advice I have booked a ticket for me and my bike in train traveling from Insburk Austria to Dussoldorf Germany and way back. So the same day the ferry arrives to Venice I travel to Insburk 350 kms and take the train in the evening.
Bernard and Gilles, I have enquired at the Honda company in Israel about the company’s two year warranty, they said that I can go to any Honda service station in the world and from the frame number they know that the bike is still under warranty and would fix anything that is covered by the warranty.
Still this does not solve having a puncture problem, I have enquired with ADAC it is something like 84 Euro for yearly membership and I do not think it is worth for a 16 days trip. If I do not find a good solution, I shall carry with me front and back inner tubes, tools and hope for the best.
After booking for train from Insburk Austria to Dussoldorf on going to VIM21 I found out that after reaching Dussoldorf I have 7 days to reach VIM21 about 850 Kms. This gives me a plenty of free time. As a 74 years old bikers that love good food, wine, scenery, history and girls. I would appreciate ideas on what to visit and what to do, I started planning the Margurita route but any better ideas are welcome.
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Pitch up your tent at Toneburg, Jack. Its an motorcyclist- friendly campsite + hotel in the middle of an medieval castle. Good food and wines too.
I did an article about this place a few years ago.
https://tonenburg.com/home/
The website is unfortunately only available in German, but the owner(s) speak perfect English. And they are also on Booking.com.
From there, you could just follow the Weser river up north.
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As a property owner in EU I get various advice notes from UK government web sites. Apart from the possibility of needing an IDP they are also advising that British vehicles may require a vehicle ID badge (GB sticker) and the old EU badge on the number plate won't be adequate. 👍
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As a property owner in EU I get various advice notes from UK government web sites. Apart from the possibility of needing an IDP they are also advising that British vehicles may require a vehicle ID badge (GB sticker) and the old EU badge on the number plate won't be adequate. 👍
IDP ???? (German abbreviation for : In den Papierkorb [Into the wastpaper basket] ;D).
GB sticker is not needed (at the moment, don´t know what will happen after Brexit). The license plat GB or D or ... is enough within Europe, don´t trust your government (Brexit or GB sticker :-X ).
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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IDP..... International Driving Permit.
The advice is all listed as "possible" in the increased likelihood of "no deal" BREXIT.
Regards
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The advice is all listed as "possible" in the increased likelihood of "no deal" BREXIT.
Regards
OK, I see.
If there will be a "no deal BREXIT" a lot of things shall change.
And yes for out of Europe / EU (perhaps Marocco) I have such a IDP and more else such as an International Registration Certificate for my MC or a passport.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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If BREXIT should be posponed for - lets say - 3 months or so, your run up- and from VIM is not in jeopardy, Harv. And even when... Riders from Switserland (no EU, ask John) and f.e. Norway (ask Erik) don't need an international drivers license. I could think of one reason why motorists from the UK should. Even after a BREXIT.
I didn't even need an international drivers licence for South Africa, but I got one anyway, just in case (and the Dutch Automobile Club ANWB isn't expensive to get one)
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Because after a hard BREXIT (no deal BREXIT) there will be no contracts between UK and EU.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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Maybe we should have a Brexit VIM !! ;)
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Maybe we should have a Brexit VIM !! ;)
I'm in!!! VCIF_a040hae
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Brexit problems will mainly cause problems for business. UK is not and was not even a part of Schengen!
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Maybe we should have a Brexit VIM !! ;)
DEAL!!! ;D VCIF_ThumbUp And you already got the experiences from Blue Stone Wales ;)
Cornwall or Scotland would be nice. Wishfull thinking modus OFF. 8)
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I just booked a room at Hotel Dania in Puttgarden for Thursday to Friday. Anyboday else there? Or at the ferry at 10am on Friday?
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Yes,
as you know, I have an acco at Lütjenburg (Hotel Lütje Burg), coming from Amsterdam along the Dutch and German Northern Sea Coast, and I take the ferry on Friday at 10:15 hrs.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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As a property owner in EU I get various advice notes from UK government web sites. Apart from the possibility of needing an IDP they are also advising that British vehicles may require a vehicle ID badge (GB sticker) and the old EU badge on the number plate won't be adequate. 👍
I don't think you need a GB sticker.
Norway isn't EU-member, but we have a small N on the licence plate. Instead of the EU-circle, we have the Norwegian flag.
This is good enough all over the world.
On Facebook, a Norwegian couple share their ride from Vancouver to Buenos Aires - without N sticker.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/bikersroad2adventures/about/
I have put on a N sticker, but that's only for showing other people "here I am* :) :)
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sure not difficult to paste (or bring) a GB sticker in case of ...
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More infos you´ll find here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Europe
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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We've (Some Americans will toggle along from Casa TwoPlugia, lol) secured our route, booked a nice seaside hotel near the Puttgarden ferry (hop on- hop off, no reason to book this ferry) and will arrive at the VIM21 territory somewhere in the afternoon. 2 More months to go! ;D
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NO BREXIT!
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NO BREXIT!
For instance... 8)
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We had in mind to visit Netherlands (and Amsterdam) on our way to VIM... We leave Haute Savoie on Sunday, so we have 4 days (if there is a Pre-VIM) to do 1850 kms... Not too much time to visit if we do not ride highways :( have seen only train on Saturday to Hambourg ...
Do you know other trains ?
Is there a Pre-Vim?
Have to work hard to prepare my trips ... 8) ;D
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Sorry, don't know anything about trains, maybe someone else does?
But, about Pre-VIM:
Don't know yet if we can make a preVIM like the tradition of the last 20 years...
I don´t se any reason why we couldn´t ;). In fact I have some ideas... something with food and beer ;D
We'll be 13 participants on Thursday, I'll get back to this in a while, have to do some investigation first.
This hasn't had the highest priority yet, as there's been other and more important things to do.
Think I'll just write PM's to you 12 with my suggestions.
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Sorry, don't know anything about trains, maybe someone else does?
VCIF_ok
But, about Pre-VIM:
We'll be 13 participants on Thursday, I'll get back to this in a while, have to do some investigation first.
This hasn't had the highest priority yet, as there's been other and more important things to do.
Think I'll just write PM's to you 12 with my suggestions.
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Rainer, I had a look on your trip (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1805.msg22120#msg22120); end is the same I had planned ... when do you leave ? I come from souther, and have to be there on thursday ... certainly thru Luxembourg ... what are your plans? VCIF_salut
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Gilles,
you´ve got an Email at your t...@aim.com - adress.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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Gilles,
you´ve got an Email at your t...@aim.com - adress.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
VCIF_ThumbUp
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Sorry, don't know anything about trains, maybe someone else does?
There is a train from Lörrach Thursday evening arriving in Hamburg Friday morning.
But - that means no Pre-VIM.
https://bahntouristikexpress.de/autoreisezug-en.html
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There is a train from Lörrach Thursday evening arriving in Hamburg Friday morning.
But - that means no Pre-VIM.
https://bahntouristikexpress.de/autoreisezug-en.html
Yes thank you Erik, seen also but it doesn't fits ... I had a look too from Munchen , but no date are ok ...
I will take more time for way back ;D and hope we have an other VIM around these next years ... 8)
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We are arriving in Zeebrugge Tuesday and heading for Arnhem.
Wednesday Hamburg area, Thursday Jutland, Friday VIM.
Return via ferry and visiting Lubeck, Hanover and Bruges..... Where we are apparently having all luggage disposed of to make room for chocolate 🤔🙄
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Hello guys, in case we do marguerite road (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1805.msg21560#msg21560) (no clock wise) is there a ferry between TÅRS & Spodsbjerg ? (I suppose... har_scratch ) , I do not find any information (price, timetable ... )
thx VCIF_salut
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Yes, there is a ferry between Tårs and Spodsbjerg, and a website.
Unfortunately I can't see any possibility to change it to other languages from danish...
https://www.langelandslinjen.dk/
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Thank you ; google Chrome can help VCIF_ThumbUp
Departures each hour at xxh15. 130DKK/17€ (2 persons+ 1 bike)
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| 95 | 98 |
F | 1.46 | 1.50 |
B | 1.42 | 1.50 |
L | 1.28 | 1.37 |
NL | 1.75 | 1.86 |
D | 1.36 | 1.51 |
DK | 1.60 | |
S | 1.41 | 1.47 |
FIN | 1.44 | 1.52 |
EST | 1.27 | 1.31 |
LT | 1.22 | 1.28 |
LV | 1.13 | 1.10 |
PL | 1.08 | 1.16 |
SK | 1.46 | 1.50 |
CZ | 1.17 | 1.27 |
A | 1.19 | 1.35 |
CH | 1.36 | 1.42 |
I've find that on the internet .. can you confirm ? I'm afraid with the netherlands' price :o
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For Germany, I think it´s not up to date, so pls have a look here:
https://gasoline-germany.com/maps.phtml?homeland=DE&kartenversion=EUM&waehrung=EUR&einheit=Liter&sorte=SU
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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Norway is exactly as Holland :'(
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| 95 | 98 |
F | 1.46 | 1.50 |
B | 1.42 | 1.50 |
L | 1.28 | 1.37 |
NL | 1.75 | 1.86 |
D | 1.36 | 1.51 |
DK | 1.60 | |
S | 1.41 | 1.47 |
FIN | 1.44 | 1.52 |
EST | 1.27 | 1.31 |
LT | 1.22 | 1.28 |
LV | 1.13 | 1.10 |
PL | 1.08 | 1.16 |
SK | 1.46 | 1.50 |
CZ | 1.17 | 1.27 |
A | 1.19 | 1.35 |
CH | 1.36 | 1.42 |
I've find that on the internet .. can you confirm ? I'm afraid with the netherlands' price :o
D seems correct... but fuel prices are about to rise >:(
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Norway is exactly as Holland :'(
Yes remembering of VIM 16 ::) But I don't put my wheels this time in Norway 8)
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It's a while ago the price in Denmark was 1,60 (a year or more), right now it's more like 1,45 - 1,47... not cheaper, but less expensive... ???
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It's a while ago the price in Denmark was 1,60 (a year or more), right now it's more like 1,45 - 1,47... not cheaper, but less expensive... ???
VCIF_ThumbUp VCIF_ThumbUp
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Do have we to pay for highways or town's toll with motorbike in Sweden ? har_scratch
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Do have we to pay for highways or town's toll with motorbike in Sweden ? har_scratch
No.
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Do have we to pay for highways or town's toll with motorbike in Sweden ? har_scratch
No.
VCIF_ok
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Belgium 1.54 / 1.63