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The Varadero International Meeting (VIM) - where riders of our forum meet => VIM22 (postponed to 2022); June 3 -6, Poland => Topic started by: meine dicke on March 12, 2020, 20:15:09
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Just copy and paste and translated by google.
CORONA closes borders:
The Czech Republic closed the border for newcomers from Germany and 14 other “risk” countries on Thursday, and Slovakia prohibited all foreigners except the Poles from entering the country. Denmark, Ireland, Lithuania and Norway ordered all schools to be closed. The number of corona deaths almost doubled in Spain, and Poland reported its first fatality.
Prime Minister Andrej Babis said that people from Germany and 14 other countries, including Austria and France, are no longer allowed to enter the Czech Republic. Czech citizens are also not allowed to enter "these risk areas".
Apart from Poland, Slovakia no longer wants to admit foreigners. The spokesman for the Slovak Ministry of the Interior, Peter Lazarov, also announced the closure of all international airports, schools, cultural institutions and entertainment venues in Bratislava.
In Italy, all trips that are not necessary for professional or health reasons are already prohibited. Schools, universities and since Friday all shops except grocery stores and pharmacies are closed.
Greetings from the South of Germany
and hopefully see us at VIM
Rainer aka meine dicke
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Is there any crisis planning from the Orga´s in case VIM cannot be reached?
I think of cancellation (storno) or partial cancellation the fee, or ...?
Sorry to ask.
But I think I´m not the only one thinking in this way.
Yes I know as well that we have 2 months till VIM, but it´s always good to have a plan B.
Greetings from the South of Germany
and may the health be with you ;D ;D ;D
Rainer aka meine dicke
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I agree with the points of Rainer.
I also don't want to see anybody of the Orga-Team losing money.
25 years in a management position lead me to the point: any kind of a clear decision is better than no decision and waiting for something to happen.
Regarding the facts and the statements of those who are not in a popular mode, we will not be able to travel over Europe in May and June. This is unlikely but from my point of view there's no doubt about it. If I should be wrong I would be pleased.
Stay healthy!
Wolfgang
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For anyone hoping to attend VIM there are several considerations :
- Will it be possible to make the trip - Will borders be open, will ferries be operating, will hotels be open, will fuel be available etc.
- What are the risks to myself - What are the chances of contracting the virus en-route, what are the chances of ending up in quarantine for an extended period, what happens if I become ill en-route.
- What are the risks to others - Might I be responsible for spreading the virus and infecting other people.
The VIM organisers will have to make their own decisions based on their assessments of the risks outlined above and feedback from those who have booked to attend.
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Today I talked with the organizer in Myczkowianka, considering your doubts we have decided to suspend preparations for VIM (not to generate new costs).
We all paid (also me) money to Marta Szczepanska's company account, this involves the need to issue fiscal bills, which was done.
I asked them to calculate the costs incurred, including finding a solution to tax issues.
I have never seen your money, as I wrote, all your payments went directly to the organizer.
I will do my best to transparently settle our payments and to cause the return of money.
An alternative solution may be to postpone the VIM-22 to September.
Please, give me time until the end of March to back with the more specific proposals.
Kris
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Kris,
great work you and the orga have done.
Take all your time you need, even it will take time till end of April beginning May.
Nobody did know and nobody will know what will happen with CORONA.
Not to be misunderstood,
I WANT TO JOIN VIM IN MAY/JUNE,
but nobody knows at the moment what is the right way to go.
Here in Germany we have a proverb which says "Die Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt" ("hope dies last").
In this sense, see us all at VIM in May.
Greetings from the south of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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Rainer,
for me personally it would be a great failure if VIM did not take place this year.
That's why I proposed as a plan "B" VIM-22 in September.
Kris
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As far as I know, nobody have asked to arrange next year's VIM.
If - of course I don't hope so - you're not able to arrange VIM this year, maybe it should be postponed one year.
Too early to make the decision, but as a plan C. VCIF_salut
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Eric,
I still hope we that we will be able to execute Plan A . VCIF_ThumbUp VCIF_salut VCIF_ok
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I confirm - so far we have plan A, if our meeting will be banned by the administration of Poland or the European Union - then we will think of plan B or C. For now we have to be patient.
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I confirm - so far we have plan A, if our meeting will be banned by the administration of Poland or the European Union - then we will think of plan B or C. For now we have to be patient.
VCIF_ThumbUp
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Sorry but now it's quietly sure we can not have as expected this next VIM. Surely time to discuss of plan B or C ...
VCIF_salut
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Gilles, no panic, I think we can wait 2 weeks or even more and then we will decide about Plan B. (there is no plan C)
Kris
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Gilles, no panic, I think we can wait 2 weeks or even more and then we will decide about Plan B. (there is no plan C)
Kris
Yes,
take the time you need.
Discusion about the plan B, C, D, .... can be whenever.
But for the decision there is no hurry necessary, you can decide at mid of May, because a lot can change until mid of May.
VCIF_ThumbUp
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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indeed :)
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We will as necessary. Today seems all Europe will be closed. Who knows how long it will last...
Even in Finland I have arranged remote shopping for my mom (82)...
Let's take of the elderly. Let's stop spreading it. We had already 3rd degree contact here in Slovenia, luckily the contact person was found negative.
Take care, let's hope it will past quickly.
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We will as necessary. Today seems all Europe will be closed. Who knows how long it will last...
Even in Finland I have arranged remote shopping for my mom (82)...
Let's take of the elderly. Let's stop spreading it. We had already 3rd degree contact here in Slovenia, luckily the contact person was found negative.
Take care, let's hope it will past quickly.
I've been following the curves lately, I have friends who are in the field of viruses etc, if you take China as a model from lockdown to the cases getting low and manageable, it took 12 days and Chinese in reality did fantastically with lockdown, I doubt most European countries will be as efficient, even if our hospitals might be better.
After the cases plummeted it took a full month for them to heal the last people and now close the emergency hospitals they built, then you can't just get back to not making checks and reopening everything like before, or you might get another wave.
Seems the progression of the disease spread In Italy follows the Chinese curves closely, Italians just have the huge issue of bad health system in the south, so many people have been going north, causing more concentration of disease, quickly overloading their hospital capacity.
So in all likelihood, the worst might be behind us in end of april, but don't expect to just go back to 100% normal immediately, maybe some travel companies, hotels and businesses will be bankrupt by then, so each countries I think will have a big challenge to face even when the virus is under control.
I don't want to make you people panic, if you limit your social contacts, wash your hands often you most likely will be fine, just don't underestimate this, be safe !
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I've been following the curves lately.
https://www.rystadenergy.com/globalassets/pdfs/202003011_rystadenergy_coronavirusreport.pdf
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I've been following the curves lately.
https://www.rystadenergy.com/globalassets/pdfs/202003011_rystadenergy_coronavirusreport.pdf
Yeah same as I've been seeing, Italy are in deep shit !
But the conclusion on temperature seems a bit premature or misguided, because look at the list of cold countries, they include all richest countries with most of them better health safety and hospital networks, while most of the warm countries include almost all african countries and places where the level of life is quite lower.
So it could simply be that in the warm countries, they just do not have the capacity to test as many people and report virus cases, or the population density is so much less that widespread infection is limited, so the statistic could be really false in such case.
Funny they forgot Portugal it's nowhere to be found !
My friend who has a PHD in molecular biology, says this has nothing to do with seasonal viruses like the flu, so it won't disappear with summer most likely, better be safe than sorry !
The one good global impact this has is CO2 levels have massively dropped everywhere, at least you should be breathing better.
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Funny they forgot Portugal it's nowhere to be found !
Perhaps time to do VIM22 in Portugal (as expected...) :-X ;D ;D ;D. don't hit I'm out !!! ;D ;D ;D
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Is it now time to be realistic ?
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The German Varadero Meeting (VDT) has the same problem with the virus. The VDT should be the Weekend before VIM.
But they got in contact with the Hotel and they found a solution.
Short version: The VDT-Orga will wait till end of April with the decission if VDT will take place in 2020 or will be postponed at the same location in 2021. Up to there everybody can cancel and will get back the money for the accomodation or if the VDT is postponed into 2021 and you want to join in 2021 they let the money in the pool and the Hotel will give the same conditions for next year at the same Weekend (long WE beginning with fathers day).
So at the moment I see not the need to do a decission.
But the Orgas should think about plan B or C or .... and perhaps get a similar agreement or better agreement with the "Hotel".
For me, I booked the accos to and from VIM with booking.com and my first cancellation without paying anything must be on 24 May 2020.
So I´m not in a hurry.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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As far as I know, nobody have asked to arrange next year's VIM.
If - of course I don't hope so - you're not able to arrange VIM this year, maybe it should be postponed one year.
Too early to make the decision, but as a plan C. VCIF_salut
I am with you, Erik, I think this would be the safest bet. But again, its up to the orgateam to decide what’s wise, and up to every single participant what would be wise in his / her personal circumstances.
Lot of meetings and events for this spring are now postponed to late summer, but we should keep also in consideration that many participants have their travel planned, also regarding work etc which would negatively affect the number of participants (I know, you are on the lucky part of that spectrum being retired, lol).
Waiting for a few more weeks doesn't chance the situation in my modest opinion. I booked my accommodations to- and from Poland via Booking.com, I need to make a decision to cancel- or keep them early May. Dutch government will announce new measures tomorrow, I will not be surprised if it will result in a lockdown too.
The International Transalp Treffen (ITT) on which I originally based the idea of organizing VIM back in 1999, has been posphoned to 2021. ITT is held one week previous to VIM.
This was the official message from the Greek ITT orgateam, published on March 20:
Dear friends,
Due to the spread of COVID-19 worldwide, we are in the unpleasant position to announce the cancellation of ITT 2020.
The safety of all of us comes first so we hope to see you all next year in Greece to celebrate our club’s 20th anniversary.
We'll email you for refund details.
Yours sincerely
HTC BoD
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The International Transalp Treffen (ITT) on which I originally based the idea of organizing VIM back in 1999
to celebrate our club’s 20th anniversary.
something wrong if ITT is prior and we have our 20th anniversary 2 years ago ? ... har_scratch
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As far as I know, nobody have asked to arrange next year's VIM.
If - of course I don't hope so - you're not able to arrange VIM this year, maybe it should be postponed one year.
Too early to make the decision, but as a plan C. VCIF_salut
I am with you, Erik, I think this would be the safest bet. But again, its up to the orgateam to decide what’s wise, and up to every single participant what would be wise in his / her personal circumstances.
Lot of meetings and events for this spring are now postponed to late summer, but we should keep also in consideration that many participants have their travel planned, also regarding work etc which would negatively affect the number of participants (I know, you are on the lucky part of that spectrum being retired, lol).
Waiting for a few more weeks doesn't chance the situation in my modest opinion. I booked my accommodations to- and from Poland via Booking.com, I need to make a decision to cancel- or keep them early May. Dutch government will announce new measures tomorrow, I will not be surprised if it will result in a lockdown too.
The International Transalp Treffen (ITT) on which I originally based the idea of organizing VIM back in 1999, has been posphoned to 2021. ITT is held one week previous to VIM.
This was the official message from the Greek ITT orgateam, published on March 20:
Dear friends,
Due to the spread of COVID-19 worldwide, we are in the unpleasant position to announce the cancellation of ITT 2020.
The safety of all of us comes first so we hope to see you all next year in Greece to celebrate our club’s 20th anniversary.
We'll email you for refund details.
Yours sincerely
HTC BoD
i also think it should be postponed until next year in poland as there is too much uncertainty surrounding the ability to travel across europe. i am like yourself bernard, i have a hotel booking which will need a decision on, and also a ferry crossing which i may be able to change, or not as the case may be. im sure there are other guys who would rather have a decision sooner than later.
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Same thoughts here.
Traveling is still insecure and for me the last half of the year is full.
All kinds of stuff was postponed and moved to the second half of this year (in case the corona situation is under control).
VIM will no longer be an option for me.
But I'm sure Orgateam will make a wise decision. If it fits me or not I will not make an argue about it.
Stay healthy all of you
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Things are still locking down longer and longer...
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finland_extends_coronavirus_emergency_measures_to_mid-may/11283446 (https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finland_extends_coronavirus_emergency_measures_to_mid-may/11283446)
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I have cancelled all accomodations of my tour from 21.5. - 14.6. allready (excluding the VIM deal).
Not sure what will be with my ferry ticket from Albania to Italy, but that's not a big deal.
Whatever the Orga Team will decide is fine for me.
I am so sad, it would have been my very first VIM and I was so excited to see you all.
I am so sad, that the visits of our friends from the US will fail as well this summer.
Regarding the facts I can't imagine how there could be travel options within the next 3 or 4 months in Europe except those countries who still have open borders because of international cooperations in health care.
Stay healthy and take care!
Wolfgang
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if they open borders inside Europe, not sure they will outside Shengen ... Britains & Russian cannot enter in that case ... har_scratch
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if they open borders inside Europe, not sure they will outside Shengen ... Britains & Russian cannot enter in that case ... har_scratch
Not sure what would happen for the UK.
Belarus is relying on vodka and sauna's to ward of the virus so I suspect they may be locked down long after everyone else.
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I find myself in a very difficult position. I am desperate to go to VIM but the financial cost of a last minute cancellation is too much.
I see we have three options:-
1. VIM goes ahead as planned.
This requires open borders and the COVID virus eliminated. Not likely by the end of May.
2. VIM postponed until later in the year.
How many of those registered would still be available at a later date? From the Whatsapp group there seems to be some that cannot make plans due to other commitments.
3. VIM is postponed for one year.
This, to me, seems the best option. It allows sufficient time for the world to recover and life gets back to normal.
Personally I have paid £843 ( 950 Euro) for a ferry to Europe for myself, SB and Tardwu. This is not refundable even if the ferry company cancels the sailing in late May. I would be dependent on travel insurance to reimburse the cost less a considerable excess.
I have hotel bookings amounting to £700 ( 790 Euro) that I can cancel providing enough notice is given.
I have already paid £70 ( 80 Euro) for breakdown assistance.
I need to renew my travel insurance by the 20th of May cost £ 170 (191 Euro) if I am to go. I have underlying health problems and dare not travel without cover.
Their current advice is I would not be covered if I go against current Government advice.
The risk is £1,783 (2,011 Euro) if I don't make a decision soon.
Whilst I appreciate the great desire to make VIM happen this year aren't we being a bit too optimistic. Accept the disappointment and reschedule for one years time. Attendance later in the year is doubtful for many. VIM is a Spring thing.
Of all the registered participants would you please post here if you cannot make later in the year so the Orga team do not waste their efforts in a postponement to later in the year.
With a heavy heart but hopefully full of reason.
The Prodded Dog
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i would rather it postponed as well until next year as too many unknowns. the way this virus is going, borders might be opened up, but there is nothing to say it may flare up again in one country for one reason or another, and you may end up stuck in a lockdown,i for one do not fancy that.
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Belarus is relying on vodka and sauna's to ward of the virus so I suspect they may be locked down long after everyone else.
Not very important, only Erik have planned to ride thru Belarus ;D ;D ;D
Of all the registered participants would you please post here if you cannot make later in the year so the Orga team do not waste their efforts in a postponement to later in the year.
You see 3 realistic solutions Martyn, you have your preferred , and some other participants have done their choice too ( and announced elsewhere )
My opinion is first orga team have to make propositions, and perhaps organize a survey or ask for participants preferences, and then make their choice.
As previous meeting organizer , I know how it can be difficult when you work so much time on an event, to have such a choice not far from deadline. We are with them whatever is their choice VCIF_ok VCIF_ok
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3. VIM is postponed for one year.
This, to me, seems the best option.
Assuming that the virus does not reappear again next winter (as some experts are predicting).
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Belarus is relying on vodka and sauna's to ward of the virus so I suspect they may be locked down long after everyone else.
Not very important, only Erik have planned to ride thru Belarus ;D ;D ;D
No problem if the Polish borders still are closed in end of May.
We stay in the Belarusian sauna for a couple of weeks... ;D ;D
And - the Belarusian vodkas are excellent ::)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NKXnb531/IMG-3216.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKXnb531)
A VIM later this year isn't possible for us.
We have planned and paid journeys in August (Germany), September and October (England).
I hope it will be possible to postpone one year.
Long time ago we booked ferries by Stena Line and lots of hotels by Booking.com.
Luckily all can be cancelled a couple of days before with no cancellation fees.
If it will be difficult to enter Belarus and Ukraine, we also booked a refundable ticket with Stena directly from Sweden to Poland.
But - it also depends what happens in Norway.
These days the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs advices against all travels out of Norway.
That means our travel insurances don't apply if we leave the country.
Norwegians arriving to Norway from abroad have to stay two weeks in quarantine at home.
Lets see what happens VCIF_salut
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if they open borders inside Europe, not sure they will outside Shengen ... Britains & Russian cannot enter in that case ... har_scratch
Not sure what would happen for the UK.
Belarus is relying on vodka and sauna's to ward of the virus so I suspect they may be locked down long after everyone else.
Those are no problem, but they forgot to isolate VCIF_37_ohh
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We have so far only booked our holidays, which can be postponed. I never book any hotels or ferries ahead, as I want to be flexible.
I would say that postponing a year would be the best option though. Don't know how this would effect to organization though. Just my 10 cents...
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As said twice before,
my deadline for cancellation is 24.05.2020.
And to postpone VIM in late 2020 is no option for me.
If VIM shall be postponed then I propose next year (Pentecost 2021).
Greetings from the Sout of Germay
Rainer aka meine dicke
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Pentecost 21 will be earlier (24th May); perhaps early to ride Tranfaragasan and Transalpina ... :-\ but wait & see ...
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A lot of persons have deadlines; it will pleasant to have now some information from Orga team, so we can discuss (or not) and have everybody advice and possibilities. waiting for that ASAP on the right post (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1910.0)
Take care & stay home, we will ride VCIF_varaGrey soon VCIF_salut
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Light at end of the tunnel?
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-04-06/austria-plans-to-start-reopening-shops-from-next-week (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-04-06/austria-plans-to-start-reopening-shops-from-next-week)
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Light at end of the tunnel?
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-04-06/austria-plans-to-start-reopening-shops-from-next-week (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-04-06/austria-plans-to-start-reopening-shops-from-next-week)
yes VCIF_ThumbUp good news, but no hotel since end of june ... 8)
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Austria is back to where it was 3 weeks ago.
The overall numbers of confirmed infections in Austria have, so far, been low (12,000) compared to Italy, Spain and Germany (140,000, 130,000 & 95,000).
if the lockdown conditions are eased it is very likely that the infection numbers will start to rise again.
Travel restrictions are going to remain in place for some time yet.
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Seems the majority here is in favour of postpone VIM22 to next year. I can only hope the orgateam will keep this in their minds when making the final decision... which in my modest opinion doesn't have to take another month.
I can't make it in September either, how much I would. And as mentioned in a reply above... VIM is a spring thing.
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Seems the majority here is in favour of postpone VIM22 to next year. I can only hope the orgateam will keep this in their minds when making the final decision... which in my modest opinion doesn't have to take another month.
I can't make it in September either, how much I would. And as mentioned in a reply above... VIM is a spring thing.
I am not prepared to travel without insurance and ALL EUROPE being open to travel for recreational purposes.September is no good for me.
Waiting a year is not going to harm anybody even if we have to have a different location in Poland.
In the UK we need to arrange ferries to get to Europe and they are already booked. We cannot just turn up. If we cancel now we might just save some money.
I do not see VIM being a possibility this year and we need to accept this. Please, please can the Orga team make a decision. You will offend no one by cancelling.
The Prodded Dog
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Go and vote!
https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1987.0 (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1987.0)
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Last (not good at all) news ... (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=1990.msg23715)
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My point of view:
Now, after the poll, we need a decission of the Orga of VIM.
Do the Orga take the decission as in the vote or do the Orga do another decission.
Some need the decission earlier others are not in a hurry.
If the decission is taken by the Orga, the Orga should as well do a statement for refunding or partial refunding (only the acco and catering, not batches, shirts etc.) the participants.
This depends on the how they got an agreement with the host of VIM (in Germany the host has, by law, to refund the accos and catering because of exceptional circumstances [CORONA-Pandemie]).
I am waiting now.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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Yes, some communication will be appreciate ... VCIF_ok
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I also see no further reason for a delay... :-\ I have made up my own mind: I will not participate if VIM22 will be held this year, either next May or September.
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The only reason is the voting, which lasts until 13 of April, organized by Stewart (who really helps and not just help declares).
Immediately after the vote, I will publish the majority decision.
I suggest to follow the previous arrangements.
Kris
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Kris
Stewart locked the voting thread once a majority had voted for 2021 so there will be no need to wait until the 13th of April for your views.
I have cancelled my hotel reservations and can postpone my ferry booking until next year.
I very much hope that we will be in Poland in 2021.
The money I have paid for attendance can stay with you. Saves messing about with exchange rates and paypal fees again.
If the prices go up for 2021 then I will send the difference when VIM in 2021 is announced.
Regards
Martyn
AKA The Prodded Dog
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It's true, voting is closed and most voters decided to postpone VIM-22 to May next year.
I'll follow your choice and treat it as the will of the majority!
Given the above, I'll inform OBCY (owner of Myczkowianka) about your decision and I'll ask him to book the date of May 21-24, 2021 for VIM-22.
I expect the price of the VIM-22 will not change and all your reservation in Myczkowianka will be moved to a new date.
I'll do my best to organize VIM for you next year and I hope without surprises this time.
I'ill back to you asap with the final confirmation of this information.
Kris
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It's true, voting is closed and most voters decided to postpone VIM-22 to May next year.
I'll follow your choice and treat it as the will of the majority!
Given the above, I'll inform OBCY (owner of Myczkowianka) about your decision and I'll ask him to book the date of May 21-24, 2021 for VIM-22.
I expect the price of the VIM-22 will not change and all your reservation in Myczkowianka will be moved to a new date.
I'll do my best to organize VIM for you next year and I hope without surprises this time.
I'ill back to you asap with the final confirmation of this information.
Kris
VCIF_ThumbUp VCIF_salut
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It's true, voting is closed and most voters decided to postpone VIM-22 to May next year.
I'll follow your choice and treat it as the will of the majority!
Given the above, I'll inform OBCY (owner of Myczkowianka) about your decision and I'll ask him to book the date of May 21-24, 2021 for VIM-22.
I expect the price of the VIM-22 will not change and all your reservation in Myczkowianka will be moved to a new date.
I'll do my best to organize VIM for you next year and I hope without surprises this time.
I'ill back to you asap with the final confirmation of this information.
Kris
i have managed to transfer my return ferry from harwich/hoek of holland to an open ticket, so at least i havent lost that. i can use it this year or next year, as long as i book it by the 30th of november this year, so hopefully you will be able to let us guys know by then the new confirmed dates for next years meet. keep safe, dave.
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The solution due to the CORONA-crisis of the German Varadero Meeting (VDT):
Hello Varadero friends,
we hope you could relax a little bit during Easter, despite the unusual situation, and stayed healthy.
Regarding the VDT 2020, we thought about it for a long time and discussed what we should do now. We have decided that the most sensible thing in the current situation is to postpone the meeting until next year. We are of the opinion that, since it is also the 20th anniversary, it should be a carefree festival, which we all enjoy without reservation and have fun with. Everything has been clarified with the host so that the 20th VARADERO meeting on
May 13 - 16.05.2021
will be held. What does this mean in detail:
The landlord has promised us that the meeting can be postponed under the same conditions
The free cancellation period for your booking extends until March 31, 2021
Your bookings remain and the down payments or total payments remain in the Varadero account.
If for whatever reason you want to cancel now, this is not a problem. Write us a short email to vdt2020@xxx.xx and you will receive the deposit or total payment transferred back.
As already announced, the polos are already finished and will be sent to you promptly free of charge by post. XXX and YYY have agreed to embroider an addition with the actual date 2021 under the existing one free of charge for those of you who want this. Those of you who want this please email xxx@xxx.xx.
The order list for the meeting sticker remains as it is on the board. Here only the request that those of you who will not be there next year will unsubscribe.
Last but not least, if you still want to register for the next year, you can of course do so. Of course, stickers and polo shirts can also still be ordered. Perhaps the new appointment fits one or the other who was not yet registered better in his schedule.
It is a pity that there will be no VDT this year, but as is well known, postponing is not canceled. We would be happy to welcome you to the next year healthy and lively in Eitorf to celebrate a carefree, happy party with you.
Best regards from Essen and stay healthy
VDT Orgateam
So we are not alone VCIF_a095.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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Surely some concrete information here too... VCIF_ThumbUp
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@Gilles, it seems to me Rainer is proposing for VIM #23 on that location in 2022... ;D ;D
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@Bernhard,
the problem is in GERMANY, we don´t have / I don´t know a place where we have camping; huts and hotel all together in one place.
And if, I would not do it in that area of VDT 2020/21.
I had been at a camping with all together - in the Black Forest - but they told me at Pentecost the camping is always booked with regular guests har_scratch.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
PS: And then this would be the third VIM in GERMANY, there are other beautiful places in Europe, where we hadn´t a VIM yet VCIF_a_008.
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Hey all,
here is an extract from a statement by our (Austria) government on the subject of travel. I assume that we (Austrians) May, June, July, August will not make great trips abroad.
I will cancel my reserved room at the Hotel Spa next week (KW17). I will wait a bit for the contribution to the VIM and make my decision a little later. Postpone or cancel.
... 51 percent of people in Austria miss traveling, according to a Gallup survey published on Sunday. However, it could take a long time before they are allowed to travel again: Chancellor Sebastian Kurz (ÖVP) said in an interview with the federal state newspapers (Sunday edition): "As long as there is no vaccination or effective medication, this disease will accompany us. The unrestricted freedom of travel as we have known it will not last that long. ”
Does that mean you can't go abroad or travel to Austria until then? In any case, the Chancellor cannot imagine "that we can defeat this disease in Austria and then negligent import it from other countries". As the "time in the picture" learned from the Federal Chancellery, there should not be a general travel ban, but restrictions should apply to risk countries that have to be defined first....
best regards and stay healthy
Kurt
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@Gilles, it seems to me Rainer is proposing for VIM #23 on that location in 2022... ;D ;D
Opened a new thread (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?action=post;board=44.0) to discuss the future places of VIM ... ;D
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Hi all,
I know it is too early to say something about whether or not VIM will happen next year but I just wanted to check up on you, my friends!
Is everybody still OK and healthy?
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Still alive here Bruno VCIF_ThumbUp only 5,5 month of riding here between restrictions & confinement
Hope to meet next year !
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Hi all,
I know it is too early to say something about whether or not VIM will happen next year but I just wanted to check up on you, my friends!
Is everybody still OK and healthy?
We're alive and in good health.
In Norway we have no strict regulations if we don't go abroad.
All serving of alcohol is forbidden in the larger cities though.
If I want to go to a pub, I need to take a bus 45 minutes out of Oslo ::)
Take care, all.
I hope for a VIM in the place with the strange name (Biez......something) in 2022. VCIF_salut
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Personally, I'm sure we'll meet in good health in may in a place with a strange name (Bieszczady) VCIF_salut
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We are fine too, only 2000 km riding this year :o
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I´m still healthy, no corona-features.
But this year I did till end of november 22222km´s.
The biggest tour had been a ride along the german borders, but in Germany.
This took about 5555km´s.
Greetings from the South of Germany
Rainer aka meine dicke
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and your bike has 111 111 ;D
Some pictures Rainer !!!
VCIF_salut
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Rainer's pictures moved in the right topic (https://honda-adventure-riders.com/index.php?topic=2012.msg24044#msg24044)
thx mate VCIF_salut