Varadero on track

[oll]

I did a track day with my 06 Vara yesterday. She held up very nicly against the more "sporty" bikes. I did however manage to grind my foot pegs down at least one cm.

/Olle

[MrKiwi]

 

[Koeno]

Last month I also had my (very first) run on a track (croix-en-ternois)

[zebulon]

I did a track day with my 06 Vara yesterday. She held up very nicly against the more "sporty" bikes. I did however manage to grind my foot pegs down at least one cm.

/Olle

Waiting now for the pics 

[Two Plugs]

I did the Nurnburgring on my very first Black '99 Varadero. Amazing how strong the big V pulls out of tight bents! Till 130-150kmh you are able to keep in front of f.e. a VTR1000...!

[Jyrays]

And now with DCT you winn them all

[Koeno]

I did the Nurnburgring on my very first Black '99 Varadero. Amazing how strong the big V pulls out of tight bents! Till 130-150kmh you are able to keep in front of f.e. a VTR1000...!

To be honest, I believe that the vtr 1000 rider didn't gave it his best...
Has more horsepower and almost the same torque, wet weight is 40kg in favor for VTR...

When I was riding on croix on the track, my mate was riding his VTR.
When coming onto the straight line (after a tight turn) while i was able to hit 150km/h, he already hit 190km/h

[Two Plugs]

I did the Nurnburgring on my very first Black '99 Varadero. Amazing how strong the big V pulls out of tight bents! Till 130-150kmh you are able to keep in front of f.e. a VTR1000...!

To be honest, I believe that the vtr 1000 rider didn't gave it his best...
Has more horsepower and almost the same torque, wet weight is 40kg in favor for VTR...

When I was riding on croix on the track, my mate was riding his VTR.
When coming onto the straight line (after a tight turn) while i was able to hit 150km/h, he already hit 190km/h

Koeno,
Its not about having less weight or higher power output.
its about torque; where the VTR engine is tuned on high power output, the architectural similar Varadero engine is downtuned on torque.
Thats the reason that any EV pulls quicker away from still, than the fastest Ferrari: torque on an EV is delivered directly. Or being Dutch/Belgian readers... the reason you will win any stop light sprint with an ancient DAF Variomatic... for the first 200 meters or so, lol 

Btw... Honda is offering a track-day training in July on the Dutch TT track in Assen for € 150,-, for any Honda rider! I'm thinking of joining in. Depending how expensive our post-VIM journey will end up... 

[SB]

Its not about having less weight or higher power output.
its about torque; where the VTR engine is tuned on high power output, the architectural similar Varadero engine is downtuned on torque.

This is an old subject that goes round and round with the same  miss-information used again and again.

As long as you consider rpm, power and torque are the same thing but plotted on different scales. Before you try and argue that this is not the case I challenge you to find a good (ie not fake or fudged) graph of Power in bhp and torque in ft*lbf where the two are not equal at 5252 rpm

 torque(ft*lbf) * rpm/5252 = bhp !


Basic Physics is very clear - to accelerate a mass you need power - More power = More acceleration.

If I hang on the end of a 6ft (2m) pole I can generate 1,000 Ft*lbf (approx 1,350 N*m) of torque but I couldn't push a Vara much faster than 7 kph on the flat.



People focus on torque because it gives you an indication of where the power is. Old 2 strokes are a good example of this, lots of power but only in the last 500 rpm. No use unless you have a gearbox that can keep you in the power band all the time you're trying to accelerate.

According to published figures the Vara actually has more torque than the VTR 72 Vs 65 ft*lbf but the VTR peak torque  is at 7,000 RPM Vs 6,000 RPM for the Vara and the VTR goes on to produce higher power 103 hp Vs 93 hp but at 9,000 rpm.

[Jyrays]

Its not about having less weight or higher power output.
its about torque; where the VTR engine is tuned on high power output, the architectural similar Varadero engine is downtuned on torque.

This is an old subject that goes round and round with the same  miss-information used again and again.

As long as you consider rpm, power and torque are the same thing but plotted on different scales. Before you try and argue that this is not the case I challenge you to find a good (ie not fake or fudged) graph of Power in bhp and torque in ft*lbf where the two are not equal at 5252 rpm

 torque(ft*lbf) * rpm/5252 = bhp !


Basic Physics is very clear - to accelerate a mass you need power - More power = More acceleration.

If I hang on the end of a 6ft (2m) pole I can generate 1,000 Ft*lbf (approx 1,350 N*m) of torque but I couldn't push a Vara much faster than 7 kph on the flat.



People focus on torque because it gives you an indication of where the power is. Old 2 strokes are a good example of this, lots of power but only in the last 500 rpm. No use unless you have a gearbox that can keep you in the power band all the time you're trying to accelerate.

According to published figures the Vara actually has more torque than the VTR 72 Vs 65 ft*lbf but the VTR peak torque  is at 7,000 RPM Vs 6,000 RPM for the Vara and the VTR goes on to produce higher power 103 hp Vs 93 hp but at 9,000 rpm.

All good but we are metric here in the forum so use Nm and kW?

[SB]

All good but we are metric here in the forum so use Nm and kW?

If were are being pedantic we should note that "Watt" is a derived unit as is "Joule". So the true term for power in SI units is N*m/s 

Are Seconds "Metric" ?

[Jyrays]

Well, most of the world does not use ftlbf. No problem for me, I am an engineer, but for common people it must be confusing.